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Granny’s front door could really use a bit of reinforcement.
Do these things really work??
Door Armor MAX – Complete Door Reinforcement Set in Satin Nickel — Door Security by Armor Concepts https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00E...cp_api_Y8doBbPBEWXD3


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YouTube is your friend. The videos look pretty convincing. I’ve got one I need to install on the exterior garage man door.
 
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I think it's overkill. Home Despot has four or six screw extended strikes with long screws. Install that, with some long screws through the hinges. That will give you as much kick protection as you going to get with standard locks.
 
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I think it's overkill. Home Despot has four or six screw extended strikes with long screws. Install that, with some long screws through the hinges. That will give you as much kick protection as you going to get with standard locks.

Have you watched any of the videos on YouTube? Quite a few tests with good results. Screws don’t do that much by themselves. Yes, longer screws are better than nothing, but that’s not much.
 
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The best a strike can do is transfer the load past the door frame and into behind. That's all that other product is doing. The load is only going into the strike in two places. Putting a full height strike plate is not going to do any better transferring that load better than the product below, but would cost 10x.

https://www.homedepot.com/p/De...rike-70292/205173930

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Originally posted by BBMW:
I think it's overkill. Home Despot has four or six screw extended strikes with long screws. Install that, with some long screws through the hinges. That will give you as much kick protection as you going to get with standard locks.

Have you watched any of the videos on YouTube? Quite a few tests with good results. Screws don’t do that much by themselves. Yes, longer screws are better than nothing, but that’s not much.

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The best a strike can do is transfer the load bast the door frame and into behind. That's all that other product is doing. The load is only going into the strike in two places. Putting a full height strike plate is not going to do any better transferring that loan better the the product below, but would cost 10x.

https://www.homedepot.com/p/De...rike-70292/205173930

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Originally posted by BBMW:
I think it's overkill. Home Despot has four or six screw extended strikes with long screws. Install that, with some long screws through the hinges. That will give you as much kick protection as you going to get with standard locks.

Have you watched any of the videos on YouTube? Quite a few tests with good results. Screws don’t do that much by themselves. Yes, longer screws are better than nothing, but that’s not much.


I went with the strike plate BBMW talks about and used 3-1/2 inch screws, Also put 1 3-1/2 screw into each hinge.



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YouTube is your friend. The videos look pretty convincing. I’ve got one I need to install on the exterior garage man door.


Watched a bunch before posting.
But still figured I would ask the experts.

On sale on Amazon for $45. I am fine with overkill at that price. It has the plates for the door as well. Which seemed softer than the frame to me.


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Several years ago a friend was over and we got locked out of the house by accident (a fun story). My friends who had my spare keys were all out of town, and I ended up kicking the front door in. I was surprised how easily it opened!

Once I was back indoors and had cleaned up the mess, I took a look at the broken area of the door jamb. I was in for some "reconstruction," so I bought a 3-foot strip of 1" x 1/4" steel flat stock.

We spent some time with a chisel, a Dremel, and a drill, and cut out a bit of the framing -- enough to plant that strip of steel into it with a half-dozen 3" screws.

I'm certainly hoping there won't be a "next time," but if there is, then I believe the hinge side will suffer, rather than the knob side. Cool




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I remember years ago the company that made the Club for your car steering wheel made a door stop device.
The way it was used was by drilling a hole so many inches from the base at thew door in the floor.
It had a pin on it you dropped in the hold and the body of the device rested against the door at the base.
It stood about 12 to 18 inches high. One side rested against the door on a plate they supplied with it you installed on your door.
If you turned 180 degree it aloud you to open the door to see who might be out side but not enough to let anyone in.
I remember watching the commercials on TV showing people kicking the heck out of the door and not being able to get in.
I don't know what ever happened to them. I have not seen them in years.




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I have a big 6x6 sliding glass door in the back of my house. If you want it really will not matter.


 
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I remember years ago the company that made the Club for your car steering wheel made a door stop device.
The way it was used was by drilling a hole so many inches from the base at thew door in the floor.
It had a pin on it you dropped in the hold and the body of the device rested against the door at the base.
It stood about 12 to 18 inches high. One side rested against the door on a plate they supplied with it you installed on your door.
If you turned 180 degree it aloud you to open the door to see who might be out side but not enough to let anyone in.
I remember watching the commercials on TV showing people kicking the heck out of the door and not being able to get in.
I don't know what ever happened to them. I have not seen them in years.


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I remember years ago the company that made the Club for your car steering wheel made a door stop device.
The way it was used was by drilling a hole so many inches from the base at thew door in the floor.
It had a pin on it you dropped in the hold and the body of the device rested against the door at the base.
It stood about 12 to 18 inches high. One side rested against the door on a plate they supplied with it you installed on your door.
If you turned 180 degree it aloud you to open the door to see who might be out side but not enough to let anyone in.
I remember watching the commercials on TV showing people kicking the heck out of the door and not being able to get in.
I don't know what ever happened to them. I have not seen them in years.


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Link to original video: https://youtu.be/ngq9Hf6xCDw


I did a search on the internet and found them still being sold at Home Depot on line.




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I don't think there's such a thing as overkill, especially in Central KY right now. Further, the purpose is to delay forced entry until you can repel the intruder. The older the resident is, the longer you need to delay while he/she is responding. Yeah, if someone really wants in, they can get in. That's pretty much true of everything up to and including a bank vault. The question is, how long will it take, and will that be long enough? I say, for the price, do it. Matter of fact, I may do it myself.
 
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If they want in bad enough they will bust a window. Also putting a 3-1/2 inch screw in each hinge will protect the non lock side.Drive a 3-1/2 inch deck screw into 2 2X4s stacked on top of each other and then attempt to pull it out with a crowbar,you will be surprised. Door frame openings are typically 2 2X4s fastened together and then the framed door is inserted into the opening.



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THE ULTIMATE DOOR REINFORCER: Door Armor MAX is a 3-piece door reinforcement kit that makes even an ordinary door into a barrier that can’t be breached even using battering rams and other tools


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I have far too many windows and patio doors to do more than the standard door latch above my key locks. Everyones situation is different but I'd say just make sure your not reinforcing a door next to a window the bad guy can break and reach his hand through.

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THE ULTIMATE DOOR REINFORCER: Door Armor MAX is a 3-piece door reinforcement kit that makes even an ordinary door into a barrier that can’t be breached even using battering rams and other tools


Is det cord a "tool"?


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I like how the cop calls in the fireman to kick in the door Razz

We already talked about the strike and the hinges. But he brings up a good point. How strong is the door slab itself? Maybe instead of spending more than necessary on an overly gigantic strike system, upgrading the door slab might be a better use of the money.



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If they want in bad enough they will bust a window. Also putting a 3-1/2 inch screw in each hinge will protect the non lock side.Drive a 3-1/2 inch deck screw into 2 2X4s stacked on top of each other and then attempt to pull it out with a crowbar,you will be surprised. Door frame openings are typically 2 2X4s fastened together and then the framed door is inserted into the opening.

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I just did a little experiment and will share my results. I took a 1 3-1/2 inch deck screw and fastened 2-2X6 4ft boards together. While standing on the board I took a crow bar with a 28 inch handle and attempted to pull it out.The crow bar handle was flexing but I could not pull the screw out. Next I took a deck board removal tool with 41 inch handle and the head of the screw bent on each side allowing the tool to come off of the screw. The screw held and the head did not pop off. Try it for yourself. It has made a believer out of me.



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Heh.

Doesn't matter how much they reinforce the door, if you make your own door elsewhere...

 
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