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| Raised Hands Surround Us Three Nails To Protect Us  |
It is not just about being given the info. The source code can still be found and adjusted or bettered outside of the dealership. Google ForScan. This is done daily on Ford vehicles across the board. I have made adjustments to my source code for better usability for my needs. The dealer told me it was impossible then I showed them how. In this instance at least the way I read the article is Ford would lock out my control modules since I fooled with them myself. TESLA does this even far beyond what JD appears to be doing. Check out Rich Rebuilds on YouTube for his ventures in rebuilding and repairing TESLAs As everything becomes more electronic this issue will only get larger. ———————————————— The world's not perfect, but it's not that bad. If we got each other, and that's all we have. I will be your brother, and I'll hold your hand. You should know I'll be there for you! | |||
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It's a "game" that will and has been playing out on multiple fronts, and will continue. We'll all see it sooner or later, all of us. The car mod/repair analogy may not be the best comparison, but it still works for the purposes of discussion. Think about all the bigger $$ item you buy that can/will/already are, affected by these types of things. Be it software, firmware, hardware, or connectivity. Just off the top of my head, in just about everyone's orbit you probably have besides a car: 1. Washer/Dryer 2. Refrigerator 3. Stove 4. HVAC unit 5. TV/Stereo 6. PC How many of those items are, or may/will have, wifi/bluetooth/custom software, etc... Anyone else remember back in the day when, if you were creative and had a diverse background, any one of these items could be potentially fixed by anyone. Yeah, those days are exiting the "building". __________________________________ NRA Benefactor I lost all my weapons in a boating, umm, accident. http://www.aufamily.com/forums/ | |||
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Could one suppose that it might conform to the industry standards? https://mahindrausa.com/ https://www.kubotausa.com/ http://www.newholland.com/Pages/splash.html https://www.caseih.com/northam...us/products/tractors I wonder if these newer farmers if give a royal flush? I understand the 50 and 60 y.o. folks being up in arms . Safety, Situational Awareness and proficiency. Neck Ties, Hats and ammo brass, Never ,ever touch'em w/o asking first | |||
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You don't have access to any of the source code. Thanks to a gov't std. you have a port that lets you read and adjust some of Ford's ECU parameters. It's a hack plain and simple and depends on reverse engineering or in the case of the module trouble codes access to Ford intellectual property. Ford is slowly working to the point that it can tell if you have hacked the ECU/Module and its coming that they will not warranty something if you have. Nearly all engine programmers now let you put the factory stuff back before you go in for service, but its completely understandable that Ford doesn't want to warranty a vehicle that is operated outside the parameters of its design. I have already seen local Ford do this on some obvious cases of powerstrokes locally, but I'm guessing it will soon be way more common. “So in war, the way is to avoid what is strong, and strike at what is weak.” | |||
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| Raised Hands Surround Us Three Nails To Protect Us |
The issue at hand is not warranty related. Of course if you go jimmy jacking with things the dealer should not be required to do warranty work. The issue is manufacturers are trying to lock folks out completely from doing their own work forcing them to the dealer or a contracted service department regardless of warranty status. ———————————————— The world's not perfect, but it's not that bad. If we got each other, and that's all we have. I will be your brother, and I'll hold your hand. You should know I'll be there for you! | |||
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| Oh stewardess, I speak jive.  |
This is the true goal, bank on it. The rest is a smoke screen and marketing language to obfuscate the aforementioned reality. It's been coming for years, in multiple industries. Issues regarding intellectual property, safety, and the rest are thin threads of legitimacy that hold the whole sham together. | |||
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A diesel is a simple machine. Won't take much to make it work. Someone can make retofit parts.  He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a monster. | |||
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A modern T4 emissions diesel is anything but simple. If you could legally get all that crap out of there you might have a chance. But you can't. “So in war, the way is to avoid what is strong, and strike at what is weak.” | |||
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And there you have it. Any farmer worth his seed corn hat detests pollution control measures on his tractor. The first inclination is to eliminate EGR, Particulate filters and most especially after treatment ( DEF ). Computers are assigned to keep these things operational. When they fail or are defeated the tractor shuts down. You don't just toss a tractor the size of a two car garage on a trailer and haul ass for town. As a dealer you don't hire fifty techs to babysit tractors that are used a scant month per year. This emission control for ag is bullshit of the highest order. As it is for rail and any other off highway equipment. ----------The weather is here I wish you were beautiful---------- | |||
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