Ban on carrying guns in post offices ruled unconstitutional by U.S. judge
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Originally posted by Fenris:
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Originally posted by parabellum: Leave your firepower in the car when you visit the post office.
IIRC, The Postal Service also considers guns in their parking lots to be a violation.
Yeah, well, I'm a reasonable man, but that's just too damn bad.
January 14, 2024, 01:33 AM
Mustang-PaPa
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Originally posted by 12131:
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Originally posted by Mustang-PaPa: I wont be the one setting off the metal detectors.
Yeah, mine stays in the car, but folks package metal parts to ship all the time. I have always shipped long guns through them. They have metal detector at your PO?
Yes and its a very small rural area with low to almost no crime.
January 14, 2024, 01:47 AM
12131
^^^ So, it goes off every time you bring anything metal in to ship.
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January 14, 2024, 03:44 AM
Mustang-PaPa
Not sure. I have never seen it go off like most stores do with lights and noise.
January 14, 2024, 06:09 AM
HarrisonLLC
Probably not a metal detector. What they have is probably Chekpoint systems antitheft rfid equipment. I used to install them in post offices in WA, ID, OR and MT.
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Originally posted by Mustang-PaPa: Not sure. I have never seen it go off like most stores do with lights and noise.
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January 14, 2024, 06:55 AM
gpbst3
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Originally posted by Mustang-PaPa:
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Originally posted by 12131:
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Originally posted by Mustang-PaPa: I wont be the one setting off the metal detectors.
Yeah, mine stays in the car, but folks package metal parts to ship all the time. I have always shipped long guns through them. They have metal detector at your PO?
Yes and its a very small rural area with low to almost no crime.
Are you sure its metal detector? I have seem some with a clear plastic panels which would be more inline with anti-theft.
If they are metal detectors do they have someone check you?
January 14, 2024, 07:07 AM
Mustang-PaPa
It very well may be for anti-theft. They do have a store inside the that area.
January 14, 2024, 07:18 AM
egregore
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Originally posted by 220-9er: Post Offices never were a place that should have qualified for this kind of treatment. There is no heightened risk above your local convenience store. The shootings I can recall involved employees with domestic problems and other personal issues, not the general public. They don’t provide any security so the body count is worse than where the victims can carry. This is long overdue.
"The Almighty, He put some livin' things on this earth so a man can eat." - Festus Haggen, Gunsmoke
January 14, 2024, 07:23 AM
Balzé Halzé
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Originally posted by Mustang-PaPa:
Yes and its a very small rural area with low to almost no crime.
Yeah, that's not a metal detector.
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January 14, 2024, 07:26 AM
trapper189
Written into the Post Office’s rules, there’s an exception to carrying firearms into the post office for those there on official postal business. The Post Office officially exists to mail things for people; therefore, if you are at the Post Office to mail something or retrieve things mailed to you, you can carry a firearm into the Post Office. This exception is why you can carry long guns into the Post Office, mail them, and nobody cares. FFL holders may even mail handguns with the Post Office.
Does this exception negate the federal ban on firearms in federal buildings? It would seem anybody who has shipped firearms using the Post Office has violated federal law, there’s even records for this, and yet how many have ever been prosecuted?
January 14, 2024, 07:47 AM
ulsterman
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Originally posted by Fenris:
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Originally posted by parabellum: Leave your firepower in the car when you visit the post office.
IIRC, The Postal Service also considers guns in their parking lots to be a violation.
I believe that is incorrect. There was a suit filed in Colorado (?), I think the name was Bodniy where they ruled you could have weapons in a customer parking lot but not the employee parking lot.
January 14, 2024, 07:55 AM
egregore
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Written into the Post Office’s rules, there’s an exception to carrying firearms into the post office for those there on official postal business …
But these firearms are encased in shipping boxes and presumably unloaded. I don't think it would apply to loaded firearms on one's person.
"The Almighty, He put some livin' things on this earth so a man can eat." - Festus Haggen, Gunsmoke
January 14, 2024, 07:57 AM
erj_pilot
^^^^^ IANAL, buuuuuuut…Ambiguity in the law favors the one who didn’t write it. Just sayin’…
"If you’re a leader, you lead the way. Not just on the easy ones; you take the tough ones too…” – MAJ Richard D. Winters (1918-2011), E Company, 2nd Battalion, 506th Parachute Infantry Regiment, 101st Airborne "Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil... Therefore, as tongues of fire lick up straw and as dry grass sinks down in the flames, so their roots will decay and their flowers blow away like dust; for they have rejected the law of the Lord Almighty and spurned the word of the Holy One of Israel." - Isaiah 5:20,24
January 14, 2024, 09:35 AM
Rick Lee
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Originally posted by trapper189: Written into the Post Office’s rules, there’s an exception to carrying firearms into the post office for those there on official postal business. The Post Office officially exists to mail things for people; therefore, if you are at the Post Office to mail something or retrieve things mailed to you, you can carry a firearm into the Post Office. This exception is why you can carry long guns into the Post Office, mail them, and nobody cares. FFL holders may even mail handguns with the Post Office.
Does this exception negate the federal ban on firearms in federal buildings? It would seem anybody who has shipped firearms using the Post Office has violated federal law, there’s even records for this, and yet how many have ever been prosecuted?
This makes sense to me, and I've never gone to a post office for anything other than conducting official business. But I wouldn't want to be the test case. Oh, and concealed means concealed.
Freewill Firearms 07 FFL, Class 2 SOT
January 14, 2024, 09:39 AM
tatortodd
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Originally posted by ensigmatic:
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Originally posted by 12131:
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Originally posted by tatortodd: The article didn't list the attorneys. Anyone know if the attorneys were funded by GOA, SAF, FPC, etc?
The postal employee's attorney's were the Federal Defenders (i.e. the federal version of public defender's office) so the gov't (Federal Defenders ) literally beat the gov't (Dept of Justice) in a 2A case. That's rich!!! The Dept of Just Us losing to free legal defense made the 2A victory even sweeter.
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January 14, 2024, 10:03 AM
TexasScrub
I happen to live near the downtown Victoria Tx post office, and it indeed has guarded metal detectors but its in an actual federal building. I've never actually seen anything federal happen there, nor have I ever met any feds in this small town, but who knows anymore.
___________________________ He looked like an accountant or a serial-killer type. Definitely one of the service industries.
January 14, 2024, 11:54 AM
Ogie
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Originally posted by trapper189: Written into the Post Office’s rules, there’s an exception to carrying firearms into the post office for those there on official postal business. The Post Office officially exists to mail things for people; therefore, if you are at the Post Office to mail something or retrieve things mailed to you, you can carry a firearm into the Post Office. This exception is why you can carry long guns into the Post Office, mail them, and nobody cares. FFL holders may even mail handguns with the Post Office.
Does this exception negate the federal ban on firearms in federal buildings? It would seem anybody who has shipped firearms using the Post Office has violated federal law, there’s even records for this, and yet how many have ever been prosecuted?
No, sorry, you are not on official Post Office business when you come in to buy a book of stamps. Your "therefore" will get you into trouble. Give it a try. Go into your local Post Office and tell them you are carrying a gun and are on official Post Office business and you want a book of stamps.
January 14, 2024, 11:58 AM
parabellum
Maybe get your stamps first.
January 14, 2024, 12:04 PM
architect
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Originally posted by smlsig:
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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé: Just Post Offices? What about shithouses in National Parks? (And other federal buildings in National Parks of course)
That “ban” has never stopped me from carrying…
It'll be interesting to see if the POs around here remove their doorway metal detectors. I'll go out on a limb and wager not.
January 14, 2024, 12:04 PM
Fly-Sig
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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé: Just Post Offices? What about shithouses in National Parks? (And other federal buildings in National Parks of course)
Well that is another situation where the actual facts are one thing, but I wouldn't want to be the test case.
Most lodges, stores, campgrounds, and other facilities are administered by concessionaires or contractors. Even the welcome center is run by non-federal employees with only certain portions staffed by park rangers. Arguably the prohibition does not apply. Only where federal employees regularly execute job duties would be off limits.
Since the bathrooms are usually maintained by contractors, there is no job duty for the Ranger in there. Doubly so if it is not inside the main part of a welcome center.
Elsewhere in a park I carry concealed without worry.
