And the other half still lives with mommy and daddy !

Bob

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The problem more with the parents than the kids.
It starts at the top with teaching responsibility.

Enough said.

HA!

Both my parents and I happen to be building houses right now. Our low voltage stuff got mixed up in the system (same last name) and my Dad noticed all my substantial Cat6/audio etc. got tacked onto his.

If I may quote. “I may love you but I’m not paying for all your shit!”

Maybe I could sneak a cell phone upgrade by them.

My dad pretty much had me in a part time job at 14. At 20 I NEEDED a full time job or a couple part times because he was driving me crazy.

And for the record I am a SPOILED ROTTON only child.

The youngest Hamden is in a doctor program. I slip $$$$$ into the bank account often. The college loan is very high.

Boo fucking hoo...

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Young people want to live at least the same standard as when they lived with mommy and daddy but they don't have the same income. I still pay for the youngest two DF's phone bills on my plan.

Describes my step daughter exactly. And my wife gives in on everything. Everything.
I have no problem helping my step daughter stay afloat now that she has begun her career with a decent job. But it’s gotten ridiculous and if things don’t change soon I will divorce my wife over it.

I’m not giving up my chance of a hard earned retirement so cupcake can live the same lifestyle we have. It matters not that she is my step daughter of 20 years or my own flesh and blood.

My patience is about gone.

You need to have a talk with your wife. Choose your words carefully. Step children are big divorce problem.

I have talked to my wife several times but nothing I say matters anymore.

I’ve consulted with a marriage counselor (wife wouldn’t participate) and an attorney. We are way beyond cell phone bills here and I am resentful of my daughter. She takes extreme advantage of us.

I’m a phone call away from kicking the process off. I love my wife but I feel like I’m just a a paycheck.

Once upon a time, there were two eagle's nests on the side of a cliff. The two mother eagles had opposing views about how to raise the young eaglets. After working for many weeks to feed the eaglets, the time finally came for the mother eagles to start teaching their young how to fly and hunt for their own food. The mother eagle on the right side of the cliff began pushing her baby eagles out over the edge of the nest and watching them fall to the rocks several hundred feet below. The mother eagle in the nest on the left side of the cliff viewed this behavior as cruel and vowed to never put her babies in such danger. Just before falling on the rocks below, the mother eagle from the right would swoop underneath them and bring them safely back up to the nest on the right. The little eaglets attributed this behavior on the part of their mother as temporary insanity and felt highly relieved that she saved them from certain death - even if it was such a close call.

But, after getting comfortable back in the nest, the mother eagle did it again! The eaglets finally realized they were going to have to take matters into their own wings. After all, what if one of these times, mama didn't get to them in time to save them? The third time, they struggled with everything they had, and lo, and behold, they discovered they could fly, too! Oh what fun it was to fly on their own!

Meanwhile, the mother eagle in the nest on the left had made up her mind: There was no way she was going to endanger her babies like that! She obviously loved her eaglets more than the other mother eagle did. So, she just let her eaglets grow into full grown eagles without the knowledge of how to fly or hunt. She worked very, very hard to feed them everyday, and she took pride in how generous she was. When she finally died of old age, her offspring were doomed. Not knowing how to fly nor hunt, they just remained in the nest and starved to death.

FWIW Dept.

UPS is hiring locally...can NOT keep drivers. Few new employees care to work OVERTIME at time and a half. And the starting wage IS a liveable wage too.

My old Agency lost some new hires (after considerable training expense) when they refused to work longer hours and weekends. Again, compensated by overtime.

I have a long time friend whose Family owns several Taco John's fast mex food restaurants. They are considering selling off all but a few, as the elderly family members are all, now having to fill in shifts, as their employees often fail to show up.

Another good friend is a builder. He is considering an early retirement as he can not keep responsible, clean & sober help.

Times, they are a changing folks. Most of todays kids do NOT want to work. At least not when it impacts their social life it seems.

Why do people have kids to begin with?

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Why do people have kids to begin with?

When your child "out does you" it is really rewarding. Both my daughter and my son "out does" the wifey and I in many areas. That is such a good feeling.

Eagles that don’t soar = Turkeys.

My wife has a sister and a friend who pay bills (rent, utilities, food and more for adult children and then bitch because they are always broke...it is fucking pathetic and in one case there is a wife and baby mooching too!

My kids both were told very clearly that if you want "teenage fun" money then you need a pert time job and if you are driving our cars you will pay your own insurance and gas.

My daughter is about to enter college and while we are helping her with spending money her first semester she has secure all her own financial aid and scholarships. She is on my phone plan, which I told her she can do until she graduates but last winter when I upgraded her to an iPhone X I was clear that I would not be buying new phones.

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he biggest area – 17.6% – where help from parents is being requested is to pay for "cellphone bills." That's followed by groceries at 9.8%, rent at 6.49%, health insurance at 5.89%, and gas at 5.79%.

The cell phone bill is nearly DOUBLE the grocery bill.... they're living at home or, they're existing on ramen, rice and beans, got it.

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Blame student loan debt, the high cost of housing, and other inflated expenses that their parents didn't have to deal with.

This student loan debt issue...who the-F! told you to attend an expensive college? Your parents, who already are dinged for coddling and pampering you, can now be blamed for pushing you towards a college, likely out-of-state, possibly exclusive but, majoring in a soft humanities or, some other useless field.

That's nuts, I'm barely not a millennial, wife is. She's gotten near zero help other than being told it's a life lesson (probably best advice/help to be provided). He helped a little, but not much. I've been much luckier. Grandfather paid for good part of college education (3/4 tuition, room and board on me). Plus a half dozen $300-$1,000 oopsies from 17-22 y/o. Car problems, new suits after college, the types of problems one might face starting life. Always worked from legal age til now. Mom would give me budget for clothes and school supplies every year, I bought wisely or made up the difference.

The only other support after 21-22 was paying for divorce lawyer at 25.

I intend on following the same. I will help 50% on car, college, other expenses after 16. Assuming we have kinds, God willing. They have to have a stake in life endeavors and can't expect to be bailed out always for everything. Lessons need to be learned, bad choices have consequences, sometimes so does plain old bad luck.

I like to rip on millenials as much as the next guy, but damn these stories get old.

Life is expensive AF.

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Technically I'm an old millennial born in 81. It's just the opposite for me I've paid my mom's cell phone bill for 15 years. She's been terrible with money my whole life.

Kids these days....

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=y1ts_0f7zgQ

I don't know what I am--too old to be a Baby Boomer and too young to be Greatest Generation. (Born 1937)

I wasn't thrown out of the house at 14 to make my own way, nor saddled with heavy work at that age, but I did have a job packing groceries in the local Big Bear Market at 13, and as an order taker/order packer for a Chinese Carry-out Kitchen at age 16. (Detroit had very strict rules about Food Handlers' Cards for both jobs.) In college (local one) I worked 2 summers for a local dairy, 2 summers for a local surveying firm, and one for Wyandotte Chemical Corp. (as a trained chimpanzee--er, sample taker). My earnings mostly went to buy clothes for the next school year--my parents took care of room and board. Upon graduation from college I immediately was commissioned a 2Lt USAF and set off on my first assignment, so my parents were shut of me at that point. I wasn't as self-sufficient as some here, but I was far from being a serious drain on my parents.

flashguy

My personal experience has been, apparently, wildly different from most folks.

At 14 I was paying room and board to live at home. Bought my own clothes and paid for my schooling and books. Left home the first time at 16 and ended up on a small ranch in western Oregon. Left (thrown out) the second time at 17 due to an argument about whether I or my sister would pick apricots. I was headed for town to sign up for a summer job with the Forest Service.

Instead, I caught a bus to Spokane where I was sworn into the army.