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California housing crisis affecting middle class the most: It's 'a broken system'

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December 15, 2017, 10:33 AM
LoungeChair
California housing crisis affecting middle class the most: It's 'a broken system'
It's simple economics. High demand, low supply.
The supply simply can't keep up with the demand. The same thing happened in South Dakota, Wyoming, ... during the fracking boom. Where was the crack team of Fox newsreaders when that story was breaking?

The major population centers are bursting with high paying high tech jobs. People are bailing out of the fly-over states in droves. Who can blame them. At 40million+, people in the state don't want more outsiders coming into the state and resist the demands of predatory builders to throw up more fields of cracker-box houses.


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December 15, 2017, 10:38 AM
Sigmanic
quote:
It's simple economics. High demand, low supply.
The supply simply can't keep up with the demand. The same thing happened in South Dakota, Wyoming, ... during the fracking boom. Where was the crack team of Fox newsreaders when that story was breaking?




It's quite a bit more complicated than that. The two scenarios that you outlined, while they have similar root economic problems, are vastly different.
December 15, 2017, 10:45 AM
Il Cattivo
quote:
Originally posted by Skins2881:
quote:
Originally posted by Lord Vaalic:
Just build the wall on the Mexico border and sweep it north and wall off California as well. Its a lost cause, totally.


I'm fine with that.

I'm not. I can't begin to imagine why we'd let these compulsive retards keep anything.
December 15, 2017, 11:32 AM
1s1k
I saw an excerp on the news this morning that said 47% of the adults have a roommate in California. I can't imagine it's that high, that's just crazy.

The weathers not that nice.
December 15, 2017, 11:37 AM
joel9507
quote:
Originally posted by nhtagmember:
ALL of California's problems are self-inflicted

every one

Lived there for 20 years, and couldn't agree more.

Live in a 'reality distortion field', die in a 'reality distortion field.'
December 15, 2017, 11:51 AM
ensigmatic
With apologies to the writers of Tropic Thunder: "You went full California, man. Never go full California."



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December 15, 2017, 11:56 AM
darthfuster
What I hope is that as Californians flee they don't bring the disease with them. Leave Leftism there.



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December 15, 2017, 12:08 PM
YooperSigs
When it comes to bad news, you can count on two subjects:
California
The FBI.


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December 15, 2017, 12:12 PM
olfuzzy
Guns/ammo, housing and now driving Roll Eyes


Weeks into a new gas tax hike, California transportation officials said Thursday they are studying ways to charge drivers based on how many miles they drove since their last fill-up rather than the amount of fuel they use.

The problem? California drivers are choosing such fuel-efficient cars that the state fears it will be deprived of enough road construction revenues in the long run.

The Caltrans study – the California Road Charge Pilot Program report – is billed as a way for the state to move from its longstanding but outmoded pump tax to a system where drivers pay based on their odometer readings.

Caltrans Deputy Director Carrie Pourvahidi said the state will send out a request early next year to technology companies for ideas on a simple communication system at gas stations or electric charging stations that can instantly tell how many miles the car has driven.

“It’d be point-of-sale technology,” she said. “We’re looking for something so simple that there is nothing (the driver) has to do.”

If the state finds technology that works, it will apply for a federal highway grant to explore how to set up a statewide system. Other states have been looking into switching to a per-mile road tax, but California appears to be the first to look at point-of-purchase technology in recent years, Pourvahidi said.

Officials say the research stems from the state’s struggles to come up with adequate per-gallon pump revenues as more cars get higher mileage.

Gov. Jerry Brown and the state Legislature passed a controversial set of tax and fee increases this year that they see as a stopgap. Those fees, including a 12-cent per gallon tax increase, are being challenged by tax groups seeking a November 2018 ballot repeal.

In a report issued Thursday, state officials said this year’s Senate Bill 1 tax should succeed in “delaying the expected transportation funding shortage by a decade or more,” but contends the state ultimately will need a new system for funding road maintenance and repair.

Assemblyman Travis Allen, R-Huntington Beach, is an opponent of SB 1 and dismissed the pay-per-mile concept as well, saying the state has adequate funding already.

“It’s another terrible idea from Sacramento Democrats to reduce productivity,” he said.

The California Road Charge Pilot Program report included an overview of a just-finished road charge experiment that enlisted more than 5,000 volunteer drivers to have their mileage monitored over nine months of driving.

Most volunteers used a device plugged into the vehicle’s data port that relied on wireless technology to transmit mileage information to a state contractor. The state then sent each driver a simulated monthly invoice, and drivers sent in online mock payments.

State officials report that the project went well and is doable on a larger basis for the entire state driving population.

However, they said, a system based on paying per mile at the gas pump or charging station could be simpler, more cost effective and more readily accepted by the public. It likely will take at least until 2025 to come up with a system, the report’s authors said.

That new system will be problematic politically, though.

Rob Stutzman, a consultant who works with Alliance of Automobile Manufacturers, said it could create a policy conundrum for California. “Any effort to charge those users creates a disincentive to purchase alternative fuel vehicles,” he said.

Matthew Baker, policy director for the Planning and Conservation League, an environmental group, said the pay-per-mile concept could help reduce the vehicle miles traveled by California drivers, an important goal for his group, but the fee could have the negative effect of hitting lower-income communities harder.

He said the state should use revenues from a pay-per-mile system to provide more access to non-car travel modes, such as public transit, and should focus efforts as well on creating communities where people don’t have to drive as many miles in their daily lives.



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December 15, 2017, 12:24 PM
Scoutmaster
quote:
Originally posted by darthfuster:
What I hope is that as Californians flee they don't bring the disease with them. Leave Leftism there.


We plan our escape mid next year. And I guarantee we will not bring the CA disease with me. It might be the disease has become part of the DNA around here. Smile




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December 15, 2017, 12:42 PM
darthfuster
Like the Omega Man, I think you are immune. Utah welcomes you home. Maybe we should celebrate that day with a Utah Sigforum shoot. Grab a bite to eat after.



You’re a lying dog-faced pony soldier
December 15, 2017, 01:17 PM
2BobTanner
quote:
Originally posted by ensigmatic:
With apologies to the writers of Tropic Thunder: "You went full California, man. Never go full California."


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December 15, 2017, 01:24 PM
Scoutmaster
quote:
Originally posted by darthfuster:
Like the Omega Man, I think you are immune. Utah welcomes you home. Maybe we should celebrate that day with a Utah Sigforum shoot. Grab a bite to eat after.


Smile




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December 15, 2017, 03:57 PM
ryan81986
quote:
Originally posted by 1s1k:
I saw an excerp on the news this morning that said 47% of the adults have a roommate in California. I can't imagine it's that high, that's just crazy.

The weathers not that nice.


I believe it, at least in the bay area. My wife's brother & sister in law had a roommate when they lived there. Otherwise they wouldn't have been able to afford it.




December 15, 2017, 05:35 PM
2000Z-71
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The problem? California drivers are choosing such fuel-efficient cars that the state fears it will be deprived of enough road construction revenues in the long run.

So they recognize the problem that increasing gas taxes caused people to buy more fuel efficient cars and their revenue stream decreased. Their proposed solution is to make driving more expensive? It didn't work the first time why in the name of Zeuss's butthole do they think would work a second time?




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December 15, 2017, 05:52 PM
220-9er
Can't we just quit claim it back to Mexico?


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