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California housing crisis affecting middle class the most: It's 'a broken system'
December 14, 2017, 10:38 PM
SigmanicCalifornia housing crisis affecting middle class the most: It's 'a broken system'
Along with California's war on guns, it also has a war on housing, apparently. Over-regulated processes and onerous, penalizing costs seem to plague everything in California. I simply can't imagine living there.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017...s-broken-system.htmlDecember 14, 2017, 11:01 PM
ensigmaticI've run out of fucks to give regarding California. Seriously. Many, if not most, of it's problems appear self-inflicted. Coupled with it's increasingly un-American stances, I simply no longer give a damn.
Yes, not even about the fires, sad to say
My wife and I are considering a road trip out west, some day. I know she wants to see California, but I believe I'm going to be nixing that.
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oddballquote:
Originally posted by ensigmatic:
I've run out of fucks to give regarding California.
"I’m not going to read Time Magazine, I’m not going to read Newsweek, I’m not going to read any of these magazines; I mean, because they have too much to lose by printing the truth"- Bob Dylan, 1965
December 15, 2017, 01:41 AM
CPD SIGIt's not a war on housing, it seems like more of a war on the middle class.
Why not? They cater to the poor and Illegal, and we know they can't / won't pay.
The rich (there) are all leftists that either make the rules or are friends of those that make the rules. So why should they pay.
Someone's got to. Guess it's the middle class' turn to get fucked again.
My advice to them is: Game the system just like everyone else -
Divorce your wife.
Section 8 your home (rent it out to HUD)
(Ex) wife goes on welfare because she's not working, getting money to raise the kids, AND qualifies for Section 8 / HUD
She "moves into" the house that you're renting, paid for by Uncle Sam!
Dad figures out how to collect his check for babysitting his own kids.
If ya can't beat them, join them!
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December 15, 2017, 09:08 AM
nhtagmemberALL of California's problems are self-inflicted
every one
name one major problem, and within hours I could probably find a political meddling or interference that has the problem as the intended consequence of the meddling
fires, don't give a shit
earthquakes, don't give a shit
floods, don't give a shit
poor air quality, water quality, housing crisis... don't give a shit
its just more of the same
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December 15, 2017, 09:13 AM
Elk Hunterquote:
Originally posted by oddball:
quote:
Originally posted by ensigmatic:
I've run out of fucks to give regarding California.
Me, three!
Well more than 30 years ago I was in San Francisco on a business trip. We had a few hours of free time, and one of the local guys from our company offered to show us around.
He took us to an area with new condo buildings. These were built as row houses. They were built on a "3" basis, as he pointed out. 3 bedrooms, 3 baths, 3 stories and prices started at $330,000 and went up from there. And the starting price only covered what most of us would call "bare bones". And the workmanship truly sucked.
Elk
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December 15, 2017, 09:15 AM
WoodmanA Journeyman plumber can START at $110k-$120k in San Francisco. No housing for the working class within 90 minutes ...
$600k double-wide 90 minutes away???
December 15, 2017, 09:26 AM
4x5I was talking to some neighbors that recently moved here from Southern Ca. They moved here, in part, so they could buy a home. They also told me of a friend of theirs that just bought a home in California, and they were ecstatic that their mortgage was *only* $3500 a month. No thanks.
Ladies and gentlemen, take my advice - pull down your pants and slide on the ice.
ʘ ͜ʖ ʘ December 15, 2017, 09:28 AM
PR64You guys are consistent with your don't give a shit for sure.....
This is a big city - Silicon Valley bubble.
California is a big state with any type of living you want.
That being said I'm glad I bought my home 20 years ago. I wouldn't want to be breaking into the Bay Area housing market today.
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December 15, 2017, 09:40 AM
Lord VaalicJust build the wall on the Mexico border and sweep it north and wall off California as well. Its a lost cause, totally.
Don't weep for the stupid, or you will be crying all day December 15, 2017, 09:44 AM
oddballquote:
Originally posted by CPD SIG:
Why not? They cater to the poor and Illegal, and we know they can't / won't pay.
Just a few days ago, "they" announced a surplus of billions of dollars was "discovered" in the budget. Pay for new water infrastructure? No. Pay for better roads rather than more taxes? Nope.
The money is being earmarked for healthcare and college scholarships for illegal aliens. It is in the assembly right now.
And CA just marches on, nobody gives a shit anymore.
"I’m not going to read Time Magazine, I’m not going to read Newsweek, I’m not going to read any of these magazines; I mean, because they have too much to lose by printing the truth"- Bob Dylan, 1965
December 15, 2017, 09:52 AM
Sigmanicquote:
The money is being earmarked for healthcare and college scholarships for illegal aliens.
The article mentions that one of the big objections (from the left) to building more homes is that it will attract more people and add to the already horrendous traffic problems. Some estimates have the illegal population at around 2.5 million in the state. I wonder how the roads would be with that amount of people removed from them? Sorry if I'm making sense...I'm sure this line of reasoning is outlawed in Cal.
December 15, 2017, 09:53 AM
darthfusterI grew up in Southern California. Back then it was a wonderful place. I could hit the beach in the morning and the snow in the afternoon. It was a free State back then. I remember hitting the range with my uncles. The ground was covered in shiny brass. I used to go skateboarding down Chevy Chase canyon and hitch hike back to the top. We did that all day every day in the summer. We never worried about our safety as kids. The culture was so much more moral and therefore free. Now you could not pay me to live there. The culture has eroded so badly that for even the illusion of order to exist, there must by omnipresent oppression. No thanks.
You’re a lying dog-faced pony soldier December 15, 2017, 09:57 AM
urbanwarrior238quote:
Originally posted by oddball:
quote:
Originally posted by CPD SIG:
Why not? They cater to the poor and Illegal, and we know they can't / won't pay.
Just a few days ago, "they" announced a surplus of billions of dollars was "discovered" in the budget. Pay for new water infrastructure? No. Pay for better roads rather than more taxes? Nope.
The money is being earmarked for healthcare and college scholarships for illegal aliens. It is in the assembly right now.
And CA just marches on, nobody gives a shit anymore.
The voters failed a road tax increase. So, the legislators wrote a new gas and vehicle registration tax to pay for roads. Registration on my one car went UP 63.00 for the road tax. Yet the government spends this 'discovered' money on Sanctuary State ideas.
We can't wait to move. What an embarrassment to live here.
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December 15, 2017, 10:03 AM
JALLENJanuary 1 will see a new charge for recording real estate documents, $75 per document, to fund affordable housung for the poor.
It’s not clear whether there is a $225 max per transaction or who pays, but better get your refi in or escrow closed before year end.
Luckily, I have enough willpower to control the driving ambition that rages within me.
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darthfusterquote:
Originally posted by JALLEN:
January 1 will see a new charge for recording real estate documents, $75 per document, to fund affordable housung for the poor.
It’s not clear whether there is a $225 max per transaction or who pays, but better get your refi in or escrow closed before year end.
Once we accept the erroneous principle that one citizen can be compelled to provide for another who has not earned nor returned equitable value to the first, the sky is the limit.
You’re a lying dog-faced pony soldier December 15, 2017, 10:11 AM
Skins2881quote:
Originally posted by Lord Vaalic:
Just build the wall on the Mexico border and sweep it north and wall off California as well. Its a lost cause, totally.
I'm fine with that.
Jesse
Sic Semper Tyrannis December 15, 2017, 10:14 AM
Sigmanicquote:
Once we accept the erroneous principle that one citizen can be compelled to provide for another who has not earned nor returned equitable value to the first, the sky is the limit.
Well summed up - you said a lot right there!
December 15, 2017, 10:25 AM
Scoutmasterquote:
Originally posted by JALLEN:
January 1 will see a new charge for recording real estate documents, $75 per document, to fund affordable housung for the poor....
And I would bet most of that $75 per doc gets eaten up by bureaucrats, not much will trickle down to the poor.
"Liberty lies in the hearts of men and women. When it dies there, no constitution, no law, no court can save it....While it lies there, it needs no constitution, no law, no court to save it"
- Judge Learned Hand, May 1944 December 15, 2017, 10:26 AM
Scoutmasterquote:
Originally posted by Sigmanic:
quote:
Once we accept the erroneous principle that one citizen can be compelled to provide for another who has not earned nor returned equitable value to the first, the sky is the limit.
Well summed up - you said a lot right there!
Such is the reality of socialism, under the guise of helping the poor, the gov't takes your money and your freedom. Unless, of course, you are an illegal alien.
"Liberty lies in the hearts of men and women. When it dies there, no constitution, no law, no court can save it....While it lies there, it needs no constitution, no law, no court to save it"
- Judge Learned Hand, May 1944