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goodheart |
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Staring back from the abyss |
I remember being roundly admonished here a few years back by suggesting that the use of sunscreen is entirely overhyped. As I recall, the topic of the thread had to do with slathering your children up with sunscreen prior to sending them outdoors to prevent skin cancer. The consensus of the respondents was that it was akin to child abuse to not do so. It wasn't then, and it isn't now. Allowing the sun to get to your skin is a good thing, not a death sentence, and certainly not child abuse. ________________________________________________________ "Great danger lies in the notion that we can reason with evil." Doug Patton. | |||
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Wow......what great news. We just got back from a 2 mile walk on the beach in full sun. I’ve never used sunscreen in my life. Mike I'm sorry if I hurt you feelings when I called you stupid - I thought you already knew - Unknown ................................... When you have no future, you live in the past. " Sycamore Row" by John Grisham | |||
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I know that melanoma can be very serious, but it seems like another overblown threat we're supposed to hide from. I have a co-worker that goes to the dermatologist every six months for a check. There is a magic light, high power magnification and perhaps some incantations involved. EVERY DANG TIME she ends up getting a couple of pre-pre-pre-cancerous lesions removed. | |||
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Drug Dealer |
A very interesting study, doc. Thanks for posting. When a thing is funny, search it carefully for a hidden truth. - George Bernard Shaw | |||
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It's not you, it's me. |
I was an ocean lifeguard for 20 years. Rarely if ever used sunscreen. I think the shit actually cause skin cancer. We have guys who’ve been guards for 40 years and more and never used it either. They’re just fine. | |||
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Looks like many things about sunscreen and sun exposure are the opposite what what we had pushed down our throat in school. | |||
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Nullus Anxietas |
I don't purposely expose myself to sunlight, but neither do I avoid it. As to whether vitamin D supplementation is helpful or not: My guess is the truth lies somewhere between the extremes. That it is neither as effective as once believed, nor thoroughly ineffective. How many things can we cite that once were good, then bad, then good again, then...? My impression is that my mood and sleep are marginally improved with vitamin D supplementation. As for any other benefits: I cannot say. Those are enough for me. "America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system,,,, but too early to shoot the bastards." -- Claire Wolfe "If we let things terrify us, life will not be worth living." -- Seneca the Younger, Roman Stoic philosopher | |||
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Muzzle flash aficionado |
I am not a sunbather, and don't do a lot outdoors. However, when walking on tours I don't typically employ any sunscreen. I am light-skinned (with hazel eyes) and subject to sunburn, but lately I've not been especially bothered by it. My doctor has me taking 5000 units of D3 every day. flashguy Texan by choice, not accident of birth | |||
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california tumbles into the sea |
Sunscreens suppress cutaneous vitamin D3 synthesis. 6-1987 [ ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/ ] Evaluation, Treatment, and Prevention of Vitamin D Deficiency: an Endocrine Society Clinical Practice Guideline 7-2011 [ academic.oup.com/ ] Ten rules to get your vitamin D just right 4-20-2018 [ wheatbellyblog.com/ ] | |||
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Experienced Slacker |
Having been severely sunburned a couple of times,I mean blisters that can be slid around without popping, I tend to put shields up when in doubt. But I get what the OP is saying, and agree that more sun exposure is probably good advice for most folks. | |||
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Team Apathy |
Warning: gonna get a tad religious, but it is related. Feel free to skip the rest of this post. About 6 years ago I realized that if I believed that as a people group we were moving farther away from the “natural” way things are.... and the logical extension of that, if one believes in a Creator, is we are moving away from the Creator’s design. So, in my household, we started trying to take some of the ground back. From the food we eat (including how it is prepared and stored to the products that go on our body (soaps, shampoo, toothpaste, sunscreen). We aren’t fanatical, but if we have a relatively easy option for a product or method that is “closer to how God crested”, we will take it. For instance, baked potatoes are actually baked in hot air or boiled, not microwaved. For instance, we prefer a metal or glass container over plastic. For instance, my body will adapt to sunlight vs sun screen. Of course, there are always extremes, and I believe God gave us the intelligence to create ways of dealing with those. But as a general rule, natural over synthetic. Real sunlight, not vitamin D pills, and no sunscreen needed. | |||
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Unapologetic Old School Curmudgeon |
And next year it will be bad again.... You can produce a study to show damn near anything you want. Don't weep for the stupid, or you will be crying all day | |||
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When I was younger I was in the military and when I got out, I had numerous jobs that I would perform outside. Got lots of sun. Then I started working with computers and I stayed inside the office. A few years after I started working inside jobs, I was diagnosed with psoriasis, which most some studies attribute to low vitamin D. Being a Filipino and very dark skinned, my skin has a lot of Melanin so from what I understand it takes my body longer to convert sunlight to vitamin D, so I need to stay out longer. My dermatologist told me to get as much sun as possible. I asked him if he can prescribe me a CONVERTIBLE so I can get as much sun as possible. He just laughed. God Bless "Always legally conceal carry. At the right place and time, one person can make a positive difference." | |||
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The air above the din |
So sunlight is necessary and perfectly fine in moderation. AND, your body will warn you with a sunburn when you’ve overdone it. Imagine that. Almost seems like common sense. | |||
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Tinker Sailor Soldier Pie |
Well of course. Seriously, if anyone now thinks it'd be a great idea to lie out in the blazing Florida summer sun for hours on end with nothing for protection but a sock over his junk...well, just try not to fall asleep.
Bingo. I'll be keeping my sunscreen for those three plus hour bike rides in the summer at over 9,000 feet elevation, thank you very much. ~Alan Acta Non Verba NRA Life Member (Patron) God, Family, Guns, Country Men will fight and die to protect women... because women protect everything else. ~Andrew Klavan | |||
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goodheart |
This is the money line in my original post. Studies that were not randomized, controlled trials had suggested that higher levels of vitamin D were associated with lower risk of cancer and heart disease. Just as non-randomized studies had suggested that antioxidants would be good for the heart, and that estrogen would protect women against heart disease. It was not until the gold standard-- randomized clinical trials were done that these "associations" were proven--as far as anything in medicine can be proven--not to point to actual causation. Usually that's because of some other, previously unrecognized factor associated with both improved health and a higher level of the drug/supplement/blood level in question. Don't expect that things will "change back next year". The gold standard study showed no benefit from vitamin D supplements; unless a still larger study (which now would probably never be done) shows benefits, or someone shows that this study was flawed, then the truth is now out there. Yes sunshine, yes in moderation. And the sunscreen police should back off. _________________________ “Remember, remember the fifth of November!" | |||
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Kudos!! Our beliefs exactly, he delivers what we need. _________________________________________________ "Once abolish the God, and the Government becomes the God." --- G.K. Chesterton | |||
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My Dr told me older ppl cannot get enough through sun exposure. The body will not react as it did when younger. Thus, supplements. https://maximumd3.com He said this is the only one known to him that truly is absorbed and not just passed through. Me ... I dont freakin know ... | |||
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That's VERY intriguing. There's no substitution for experience. Fascinating. Lover of the US Constitution Wile E. Coyote School of DIY Disaster | |||
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