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Originally posted by GA Gator:
Force protection design hardens the exterior envelope and the perimeter. If you don’t have ballistic rated glass and exterior walls designed to withstand projectiles what’s the point of doing the floor.

And if you are harden from the outside lock you doors and load magazines.

My plan is to use ICF walls, with steel fiber additives, and install impact resistant glass. I will check into ballistic glass for the window near the front door. I will have a central station alarm system as well. I believe that if perps tried shooting from the outside, the noise would wake the neighbors and someone would call the police.

In the Byrd and Melanie Billings home invasion in Florida, the home owners or a child opened the front door and the perps burst right in. If something like that happened, and if the criminals fired a few rounds into the ceiling, having the upstairs bedrooms reinforced against those shots would be very helpful. I believe in "being prepared", and hoping nothing happens.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...and_Melanie_Billings

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Originally posted by Georgeair:
I'm surprised to see Jeff Bezos is lurking here.

As others have suggested, maybe sort out a more limited area than the entire floor? That is going to be very expensive I'd think, and still have vulnerabilities as some have pointed out. Unless you're worried about ninja-master-thief-murders disabling any perimeter warnings and silently slinking in and THEN shooting upwards to announce their arrival.

Are you putting a safe door on each stairway?

Okay, some reasons why. I have had many difficulties in life, and do not expect them to stop. My own father spent 40 years paying people to find me and kill me. In one of their first attempts, the perp who was "doing the job" died in the attempt. It was a setup, my new "best friend" talked me into going rock climbing in a super dangerous location in Mexico. We had no equipment, just free climbing on rocks the were totally friable. At one point I felt very uncomfortable around the other person, and despite the crazy vertical predicament we were in, I increased my distance from the person. He then hurriedly tried to catch me and fell to his death. I was 16, the perp was probably 19.

At the time I thought it was an accident, but over the next 4 years there were more close calls of different types, and I finally realized my father was behind all of this. He and those he hired tried approximately 20 times to kill me, I believe he was offering about $50,000. After a while it was easy to spot the perps, and so the danger was less.

Now he has passed away, but there have been others and I do not see this stopping, ever. There have been two kidnapping attempts so far, one my dad was the organizer but the other attempt involved different persons. Someday I will give some detail, and this will make sense.

This is what it was like, for decades:

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Originally posted by c1steve:

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Originally posted by GA Gator:
Force protection design hardens the exterior envelope and the perimeter. If you don’t have ballistic rated glass and exterior walls designed to withstand projectiles what’s the point of doing the floor.

And if you are harden from the outside lock you doors and load magazines.

My plan is to use ICF walls, with steel fiber additives, and install impact resistant glass. I will check into ballistic glass for the window near the front door. I will have a central station alarm system as well. I believe that if perps tried shooting from the outside, the noise would wake the neighbors and someone would call the police.

In the Byrd and Melanie Billings home invasion in Florida, the home owners or a child opened the front door and the perps burst right in. If something like that happened, and if the criminals fired a few rounds into the ceiling, having the upstairs bedrooms reinforced against those shots would be very helpful. I believe in "being prepared", and hoping nothing happens.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...and_Melanie_Billings

The reason you won’t find much information on floors being protected is that is not a normal design requirement. the most you get is information on blast ratings. There are plenty of exterior wall designs that you can infer the depth of concrete needed for projectiles. Hand gun rounds are surprisingly easy to stop.


I have used fiberglass rated wall panels in the construction of a public safety building. I had the cuts that were left over and took them out and shot them they performed well. This is a similar type product. This is a bitch to cut and hang. We put this I. A wall that was the cashier for the police dept / clerk of the court. I believe a taxes related class brought a guy in who tried to shoot the teller. He put rounds into the bullet proof window and wall.

You could use standard wood construction and use the panels even in the floors under the osb. The home would require an engineer as this stuff is heavy and will add a lot of weight to a structure.


https://fortifiedestate.com/wa...lass/#ballistic-faqs

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Originally posted by c1steve:

Okay, some reasons why.

That does change things a bit.

However, a few thoughts. Can you configure the home with some impediments for someone inside for the first time? e.g. an unexpected step down in a hallway, a zig-zag in the hallway. Or even some strobe lighting in the hallways and on stairways which you could trigger from inside the safe room that would disorient an invader.

So there would be a safe room upstairs which the family could retreat to at night. And maybe another escape or refuge in the basement?

The idea is you retreat to a sheltered area and then make it difficult and unpleasant for any invaders to get to that area. Strobes, trip obstacles, zig zag hallways that will slow them down. Ballistic protection in the walls.

As far as the safe room, you don't have to make the entire floor bullet proof, just certain areas. e.g. a good steel plate under the bathroom tile floor, and everyone just stands or sits in that area. That way you don't have to support the weight of a large area of concrete for the entire second floor.

One weakness may be the kids (depending on their ages) who might talk to friends about protective features of the home and/or the plan for reacting to attack. Kids divulge secrets for lots of reasons.

I have been working on the layout for a year, and am pretty happy with it. The ICF walls will be super strong, and should be able to support a moderate thickness of a concrete floor easily.

I will be using some of those fiberglass blast panels, but only in select places.

As to my nutty father, he felt inferior as I would not let him molest me. So being the vindictive, insecure person he was, his solution was to have me killed and then gloat about it. Not an ideal situation, but it did make me tougher and give me a better understanding of what people can be like.