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The USPS lost $9 billion in fiscal 2025. During the same time, Fedex reported a net profit of $4.09 billion and UPS $8.5 billion.
That's without the taxpayer preferential treatment.


Does Congress require FedEx and UPS to maintain unprofitable operations? Does Congress require FedEx and UPS to deliver anywhere in the United States at the same, flat rate?

USPS has attempted to consolidate many operations, but they end up getting blocked by Congress because members of Congress are afraid of angering their constituents.
 
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Is that a fair assessment?


Nope. It’s a wasteful government subsidy no matter where you live.

It highlights many people want to claim that they are against a large, wasteful government. But, they are only against a large wasteful government that they disagree with. Taxpayers shouldn’t be on the hook to pay for LaShonda’s food, but should be on the hook for their junk mailers.

Up next, the “drop in the bucket” argument that always gets used to justify pet wasteful spending.


I am guessing that the poll isn't exactly going the way you thought.
 
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I posted earlier in the thread about Canada Post's money saving measure of getting rid of nearly all post offices and outsourcing it to businesses. It was actually better as the other businesses (e.g. drug stores) had much customer friendlier hours than USPS. Switching to this business model wouldn't be quick, but it'd get rid of a lot of real estate, building upkeep, and reduce staffing. To be clear, in Canada the post man still delivers mail to your house, and as I enjoy remembering they still deliver mail to the wrong house. I had the dyslexic address of a gorgeous woman who seemingly only wore tight fitting yoga outfits and I dutifully delivered it to her rain, sleet, or snow. Big Grin

Ah, I see. People are posting about eliminating the Postal Service in its entirety but you're only talking about the physical buildings that the public has access to. Gotcha.



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I would bet Amazon could do it better and for less.

I was friendly with a mailman and it amazes me they have a uniform allowance for $90 uniform pants and $60 shirts. Why the hell does the person delivering junk mail to my house need a $150 uniform?


This simply scratches the surface of the exorbitant costs associated with USPS, and I suspect it relates to most all .gov employees. In high school, I recall seeing so many adds in the local papers and other publications advertising to take tests to join the USPS. It was actually a very enticing program for the less privileged back in the 80's. I have a neighbor a couple years younger than my myself that is still making a career of it. I congratulated her all those years ago when she first landed the job straight out of high school. Thirty years later, she seems miserable. Well compensated for her limited skillset, but the daily grind has taken it's toll.

A second example is another neighbor that I first met last year when formulating a recovery plan from Hurricane Helene. As many may be able to imagine, a disaster like this brings people out of their homes to assess property damage to nearby parcels. This guy was a postmaster in a completely different county, over an hour away. He explained to me, that after 19 years in the USPS, he had health issues that put him out of service. He drew his full salary, along with full medical payments, for those 9 months at the time. He was scheduled to retire 3 months later. Last time I spoke with him, he never went back to work and retired with his full pension in his late 50's. This single individual, although likely a very productive former member of the USPS, sure received more compensation and benefits than an equivalently skilled person in the private market.

I believe all these promises made to employees by USPS decades ago, have come home to roost. The country simply cannot afford to pay such elevated pension packages today. Vastly different, from my understanding, of .gov honoring typical SS payments as currently running in another thread here.

As a small business owner, I am a firm believer in paying well and taking care of employees. At the end of the day, the numbers must work.


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I am guessing that the poll isn't exactly going the way you thought.


It’s not a surprise at all.


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The only thing I'll miss if the Post Office closes is 1 - 2 lbs. of junk mail a week.
 
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The only thing I'll miss if the Post Office closes is 1 - 2 lbs. of junk mail a week.
The revenue from that is what keeps the Post Office in business.


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Yes, my business depends on certified original documents, these cannot be sent by PDF, and docusign isn't accepted.

FedExp and UPS is too expensive, BRP is our method and it works well .

I don't have an issue with junk mail, without marketing businesses can't survive on waiting for someone to decide they want something they have on the shelf....

Drop it in the bin and go on with my day...
 
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...they have a uniform allowance for $90 uniform pants and $60 shirts. Why the hell does the person delivering junk mail to my house need a $150 uniform?
Uniform? I never see a uniform on the postman delivering our mail.


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Yes. I don't use it incredibly frequently, but when I do I do and it's great to have them as an option.




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Uniform? I never see a uniform on the postman delivering our mail.


Same. Street clothes only.


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Uniform? I never see a uniform on the postman delivering our mail.


Same. Street clothes only.


I must live in the bougie area. This is what I see the carriers around me wearing

https://www.mypostaluniforms.c...-mvs-postal-uniforms


 
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We may be an outlier up here in Alaska, but the USPS is still the major player for receiving packages and mail. Amazon is making inroads with their delivery vehicles, but both Fedex and UPS have small footprints up here due to them not really offering ground service (they do but it's slow and expensive). So yes it would be an issue if the USPS closed up. One that the private market could solve in short order I'm sure, but an issue nonetheless.


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This single individual, although likely a very productive former member of the USPS, sure received more compensation and benefits than an equivalently skilled person in the private market.

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I have run a small business for over 40 years. I could never put up with the bureaucracy in government service. The USPS guy had to put up with more crap than you can imagine. That compensation is packaged with a HUGE ration of shit. I work hard and arrange for my own retirement plan and benefits.
 
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I trust USPS more than I do Fed Ex. Besides, who would deliver the mail, meds, etc.?
 
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"The postal system predates the Constitution, having been established in 1775 by the Continental Congress with Benjamin Franklin as the first Postmaster General."

It's one of the things tying the country together. Would I miss it? Nope. However, mandated Rural Free Delivery folks who live in the middle of nowhere would.



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