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It was 8-9 November 1923 when Hitler launched his failed coup d'état in Munich during the Weimar Republic. The putsch brought Hitler to the attention of the German nation for the first time and generated front-page headlines in newspapers around the world. Once released from prison, Hitler redirected his focus towards obtaining power through legal means rather than by revolution or force, and accordingly changed his tactics, and the world. Link _________________________________________________________________________ “A man’s treatment of a dog is no indication of the man’s nature, but his treatment of a cat is. It is the crucial test. None but the humane treat a cat well.” -- Mark Twain, 1902 | ||
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Not necessarily all that unique or noteworthy at the time, considering it was one of over half a dozen attempted coups/putsches during the Weimar Republic's tenuous span. It was not even the only uprising during October-November 1923 alone! There had been a similar attempt by communists in Hamburg a couple weeks before this Nazi attempt in Bavaria, and one by nationalists in Küstrin the month beforehand, as well as a breakaway attempt by Rhenish separatists in the Rhineland around the same time. Hell, the Nazi's attempted putsch was itself intended to head-off a similar Bavarian-based military/police coup attempt that was about to kick off... The Nazis just beat them to the punch, and coerced many of those conspirators to join them instead! Weimar Germany was wild. But certainly notable in hindsight, with how it contributed to Hitler's eventual rise to power. | |||
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The German.gov should have hanged that failed painter and paperhanger. Think how that decision shaped the world in which we live. Nice is overrated "It's every freedom-loving individual's duty to lie to the government." Airsoftguy, June 29, 2018 | |||
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I spent a week in Munich end of September, visited Marienplatz during a walking tour on the history of the Nazi Party. https://www.viator.com/tours/M...-Tour/d487-2666REICH | |||
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I haven't seen that one since that one guy joined to bring us Nazi ideals. What was his handle? I remember you changed his CUT to something like "reassigned to the eastern front".  | |||
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Dang, I didn't know about that tour when we were there in May. Though I doubt my wife would have been interested in it. We did go to Dachau, and that was incredible. Really beyond description even though I've seen about a thousand movies and documentaries about Germany before and during WWII. Standing inside the gas chamber alone for a few minutes was stunning. The emptiest space I've ever experienced. In light of recent world events in Israel it has taken on even more meaning. Though I had friends growing up whose grandparents survived concentration camps and had the serial number tattoo, somehow it isn't real until one is in the place itself. | |||
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Over the years I have met a number of survivors who had the tattoo. Whenever I saw one, my blood ran cold. There is no greater symbol of evil than that ink. End of Earth: 2 Miles Upper Peninsula: 4 Miles | |||
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I visited Bergen-Belsen in late '93, I know what you mean. Just standing next to a mass grave with an estimated 45k buried under that particular terraced mound while surrounded by many other such graves/mounds. Others here have described a feeling while at battlefields and other such places that saw massive deaths take place in a short time. I can't call it an evil place, but you can almost sense the tragedy as if it all just happened. I can attest that this feeling is palpable. Not creepy, just an incredible and deeply sad, melancholy feeling. I had the opportunity to go with friends to Dachau a week later but I passed. Belsen was enough for me. | |||
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And 85 years ago tonight, Kristallnacht. Why does it feel like 1938 all over again? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kristallnacht --------------------- DJT-45/47 MAGA !!!!! "Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on, or by imbeciles who really mean it." — Mark Twain “Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard.” — H. L. Mencken | |||
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A friend's father was one of the US soldiers that liberated one of the camps. They were stationed there for a while to help the prisoners recover and move out, as well as clean up the horrific mess. He was fucked up for life by what he saw. | |||
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I remember that. Funniest thing ever. _________________________ "Age does not bring wisdom. Often it merely changes simple stupidity into arrogant conceit. It's only advantage, so far as I have been able to see, is that it spans change. A young person sees the world as a still picture, immutable. An old person has had his nose rubbed in changes and more changes and still more changes so many times that that he knows it is a moving picture, forever changing. He may not like it--probably doesn't; I don't--but he knows it's so, and knowing is the first step in coping with it." Robert Heinlein | |||
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They did nazi what was coming. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "Yidn, shreibt un fershreibt" "The Nazis entered this war under the rather childish delusion that they were going to bomb everyone else, and nobody was going to bomb them. At Rotterdam, London, Warsaw and half a hundred other places, they put their rather naive theory into operation. They sowed the wind, and now they are going to reap the whirlwind." -Bomber Harris | |||
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If I recall correctly, Hitler wrote Mein Kampf in prison after the failed putsch and was more popular than ever after his release later in the year. | |||
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Yep. He also used his monthlong trial as a platform to orate lengthy monologues to the courtroom audience and the attending reporters about his political beliefs and plans to strengthen Germany, which gained him significant additional fame too. So for Hitler, 20 dead and an 8 month "sentence" (more like sabbatical) in minimum security prison was a small price to pay for the huge boost he got to his popularity and notoriety. Without this "failure", he might not have become Chancellor at all. | |||
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Just saw this new video from one of my favorite history Youtubers, Mark Felton. It does an excellent job describing the lead-up to and events of the Beer Hall Putsch. | |||
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I suppose you could make that into a motivational poster of some sort for those who may be going through some misfortune. "Hitler didn't allow his failure to define his destiny. Don't give up; be like Hitler!" "It did not really matter what we expected from life, but rather what life expected from us. We needed to stop asking about the meaning of life, and instead to think of ourselves as those who were being questioned by life – daily and hourly. Our answer must consist not in talk and meditation, but in right action and in right conduct. Life ultimately means taking the responsibility to find the right answer to its problems and to fulfill the tasks which it constantly sets for each individual." Viktor Frankl, Man's Search for Meaning, 1946. | |||
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