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I'm not going to fret over a billionaire's tax as I'm not a billionaire. Billionaires have plenty of resources to fight or avoid this on their own. Has any of them fought to stop any tax increases on me? Either way, not my monkeys, not my circus.


Well, you're in Arizona too. So, yeah. But if it was in your State and the next year they did it to the Millionaires, would it be your monkey then? Once the precedent is set, it will eventually affect you.

Totally agree. By his logic if it doesn’t affect him tough beans. You know how many things we enjoy that would be gone if everyone had that opinion. How about right and wrong without taking into account how it affects you personally.
 
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Good, fuck them. Anyone in this state worth over 10 million is probably a liberal. Like 98% chance.
Take half their shit and see how they like it- since they are the ones who support the democratic uniparty in California.

Yeah, sure, that'll show 'em.

Once the billionaires leave and take their taxes and companies with them, then your state will go after millionaires, and when they leave, they go after the rest, including you.


Go after the rest? They have already fucked me and my paycheck over so many times there is nothing left. The only way my shitty state can even have a slim chance of unfucking itself is if they start to piss off the other 60%. CA is going to collapse- could be 5 years could be 20. Id rather get it the fuck over with so my wife will finally agree to move out of this shithole with me. Idaho, Texas, Utah, Montana, Wyoming are all fine by me.



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California is grappling with significant budget gaps, exacerbated by spending inefficiencies and a lack of transparency in major social programs, particularly homelessness, even as it tries to manage ongoing economic challenges. It has spent in excess of over $20 billion on homelessness since 2019, but audits show the state lacks consistent data to track how funds are used or if programs are effective, leading to fraud concerns.

The governor Predicts a $2.9 billion deficit for the upcoming budget. But a legislative analyst Projects a larger $18 billion shortfall. I wonder if Newsom is still trying to blame mother nature for his budget problems instead of the policies he’s put in place.


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I'm not going to fret over a billionaire's tax as I'm not a billionaire. Billionaires have plenty of resources to fight or avoid this on their own. Has any of them fought to stop any tax increases on me? Either way, not my monkeys, not my circus.


Well, you're in Arizona too. So, yeah. But if it was in your State and the next year they did it to the Millionaires, would it be your monkey then? Once the precedent is set, it will eventually affect you.

Totally agree. By his logic if it doesn’t affect him tough beans. You know how many things we enjoy that would be gone if everyone had that opinion. How about right and wrong without taking into account how it affects you personally.


Pragmatism sometimes helps. We’re not talking about ordinary helpless people being bullied. We’re talking about people with resources to even get laws made that benefit them significantly. Think Panera Bread and the carve out exemption from the California minimum wage hike that got abandoned because of being made public. These targeted exemptions didn’t get written randomly. And the tax not collected from these targeted beneficiaries have to be made up by the rest of the taxpayers; I’m in that group of the ret of the taxpayers. Their expense budget on managing and minimizing their taxes are much tens of thousands more than what I spend on Quicken and Turbo Tax.

My resources are limited. But, sure, you guys can donate to their GoFundMe campaign so they can fight the billionaires’ tax.

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I'm not going to fret over a billionaire's tax as I'm not a billionaire. Billionaires have plenty of resources to fight or avoid this on their own. Has any of them fought to stop any tax increases on me? Either way, not my monkeys, not my circus.

That's what people said about the 16th Amendment.

Remember: it was passed as only a millionaires tax, back when millions was the equivalent of billions today.

The 16th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution, ratified in 1913, grants Congress the power to levy an income tax on individuals and corporations without apportioning it among states by population, fundamentally changing federal funding and establishing the modern progressive tax system we use today, overriding a prior Supreme Court ruling. It allows for taxes "from whatever source derived," making federal income tax a reliable revenue stream.



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I'm not going to fret over a billionaire's tax as I'm not a billionaire. Billionaires have plenty of resources to fight or avoid this on their own. Has any of them fought to stop any tax increases on me? Either way, not my monkeys, not my circus.
Think of it like this...first they came for the billionaires, then the millionaires, then the hundred-thousands....

"First They Came" is the poetic form of a 1946 post-war confessional prose piece by the German Lutheran pastor Martin Niemöller (1892–1984). It indirectly condemns complicity of German intellectuals and clergy following the Nazis' rise to power and subsequent incremental purging of their chosen targets. Many variations and adaptations in the spirit of the original have been published in the English language.

The best-known versions of the confession in English are the edited versions in poetic form that had begun circulating by the 1950s.

A version by the Holocaust Memorial Day Trust, a charity established by the British government, is as follows:

First they came for the Communists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Communist

Then they came for the Socialists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Socialist

Then they came for the trade unionists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a trade unionist

Then they came for the Jews
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Jew

Then they came for me
And there was no one left
To speak out for me

I believe there is a version for gun control, too.


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 It has spent in excess of over $20 billion on homelessness since 2019, but audits show the state lacks consistent data to track how funds are used or if programs are effective, leading to fraud concerns.


I'm gonna go out on a limb and make the crazy claim that the billions they have spent on homelessness have not been effective. In fact, I don't think solving the problem was ever the goal. The goal is enriching the NGO executives whose friends and family members are elected officials. KA is a one party state and has been for a while. Blaming any problem there on anyone but the left-wing lunatics who run the place is pretty silly. They own it.


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I'm gonna go out on a limb and make the crazy claim that the billions they have spent on homelessness have not been effective."

None of these ever reach their goal. They can't be design because if they ever did, twice as many people would show up to get the goodies. That's true of all these feel good programs.


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None of these ever reach their goal. They can't be design because if they ever did, twice as many people would show up to get the goodies. That's true of all these feel good programs.

Oh, they accomplished that.
They successfully turned San Francisco (and other areas) into a Mecca for homelessness.



"Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible."
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I'm not going to fret over a billionaire's tax as I'm not a billionaire. Billionaires have plenty of resources to fight or avoid this on their own. Has any of them fought to stop any tax increases on me? Either way, not my monkeys, not my circus.

That's what people said about the 16th Amendment.

Remember: it was passed as only a millionaires tax, back when millions was the equivalent of billions today.

The 16th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution, ratified in 1913, grants Congress the power to levy an income tax on individuals and corporations without apportioning it among states by population, fundamentally changing federal funding and establishing the modern progressive tax system we use today, overriding a prior Supreme Court ruling. It allows for taxes "from whatever source derived," making federal income tax a reliable revenue stream.


And now everyone is taxed.

I still think the billionaires can fight this battle on their own. I have my own battles to fight.



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I'm not going to fret over a billionaire's tax as I'm not a billionaire. Billionaires have plenty of resources to fight or avoid this on their own. Has any of them fought to stop any tax increases on me? Either way, not my monkeys, not my circus.
Think of it like this...first they came for the billionaires, then the millionaires, then the hundred-thousands....


I believe there is a version for gun control, too.


I already covered this in a previous response: it's not as if billionaires don't have any resources to fight this. Am I against taxes, in general? Yes. Am I for taxing billionaires? No.

But I'm not going to a part of any movement to help send ice to Alaskans.



"It did not really matter what we expected from life, but rather what life expected from us. We needed to stop asking about the meaning of life, and instead to think of ourselves as those who were being questioned by life – daily and hourly. Our answer must consist not in talk and meditation, but in right action and in right conduct. Life ultimately means taking the responsibility to find the right answer to its problems and to fulfill the tasks which it constantly sets for each individual." Viktor Frankl, Man's Search for Meaning, 1946.
 
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Now Newscum wants to save the Billionaires:

Newsom Scrambles To Keep Billionaires In California, Vows To Kill Wealth Tax

After a swath of billionaires publicly announced they are leaving the state of California over a proposed wealth tax, Governor Gavin Newsom went into a full blown panic - vowing to stop the proposed tax and "do what I have to do to protect the state."

https://www.zerohedge.com/poli...vows-kill-wealth-tax

Here is the key: once billionaires become super-wealthy they seek to use their power and influence to rig the game in their favor, among other things by using the government to enact regulatory and cost barriers to their upstart competitors.

In influencing the legislators to do that, they are more than willing, if required, to pander to some of the governments Woke and socialist bullshit, as long as it doesn't cross the line into hurting THEM.

This wealth tax crossed that line.



"Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible."
-- Justice Janice Rogers Brown

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Now Newscum wants to save the Billionaires

He's on board with the idiotic idea ideologically, no doubt, but understands there are no better friends to make, than those who could donate $$$ millions out of petty cash, particularly when weighing the idea of running for national office.
 
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^^^ He should have thought about that and shut this proposal down before it became an issue.




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Now Newscum wants to save the Billionaires

He's on board with the idiotic idea ideologically, no doubt, but understands there are no better friends to make, than those who could donate $$$ millions out of petty cash, particularly when weighing the idea of running for national office.


Also gotta check out his perceived wealth on paper. I recall reading where his part ownership in a winery (or wineries?) alone approaches the $500M mark.






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California is grappling with significant budget gaps, exacerbated by spending inefficiencies and a lack of transparency in major social programs, particularly homelessness, even as it tries to manage ongoing economic challenges. It has spent in excess of over $20 billion on homelessness since 2019, but audits show the state lacks consistent data to track how funds are used or if programs are effective, leading to fraud concerns.

The governor Predicts a $2.9 billion deficit for the upcoming budget. But a legislative analyst Projects a larger $18 billion shortfall. I wonder if Newsom is still trying to blame mother nature for his budget problems instead of the policies he’s put in place.


Hey, we also have a high-speed rail system in progress which will take four times longer than a jet flight between los angeles and sacramento AND need to be subsidized at least $300 per vacant seat (per 2017 estimates) if not 80% full, just to break even on running its routes.






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Another feel good tax. You have to tax the middle class where there are far more people to raise any kind of money. Another stupid AOC idea.
 
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Another feel good tax. You have to tax the middle class where there are far more people to raise any kind of money. Another stupid AOC idea.


This origintes from a union. SAIC or something like that.






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This originates from a union. SAIC or something like that.
Read my post at the top of page 2.


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This originates from a union. SAIC or something like that.
Read my post at the top of page 2.


Ya, what you said. Lol






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