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Serenity now! |
I think there may be an opening for a few new leaders in this troop.
https://www.ksl.com/article/46...p-in-homemade-canoes Ladies and gentlemen, take my advice - pull down your pants and slide on the ice. ʘ ͜ʖ ʘ | ||
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I'd call it "ill-conceived" | |||
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Savor the limelight |
So it was a three hour tour? And those are kayaks, not canoes, not that it makes a difference as poorly constructed as they are. | |||
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Thank you Very little |
Just sit right back and you'll hear a tale, A tale of a fateful trip That started from Green River Port Aboard some homemade skiffs. The leader really wan't bright, nor a sailing man, The scouts were brave and sure. Twenty scouts set sail that day For a sixty mile tour, a sixty mile tour. | |||
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Nullus Anxietas |
Jebus Christos! Whomever thought that was a good idea should never be put in a position of responsibility over children... or anything, come to think of it. "America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system,,,, but too early to shoot the bastards." -- Claire Wolfe "If we let things terrify us, life will not be worth living." -- Seneca the Younger, Roman Stoic philosopher | |||
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thin skin can't win |
WTActualF? That is one of the dumbest things ever. I can't even imagine thinking of putting my boys at that kind of risk for some lesson about building their own boat. You only have integrity once. - imprezaguy02 | |||
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Thank you Very little |
Not only are the leaders morons, why didn't one parent at least one step up and question this. | |||
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Probably should have tried them in a pond or lake first. Cool idea, bad execution and what appears to be a non-existent safety plan. | |||
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Savor the limelight |
I would venture to guess that a lot of parents that put their kids in scouts lack the skills and knowledge themselves and are placing their trust in the organization to have qualified leaders. Another factor is a lot people over estimate their abilities. I was searching the web to find out what a "medium size" boat is and came across a government survey about boats and owners. It said 76% of boater owners consider themselves experienced boaters. I'm not one and I know it. On a side note, 97% of privately owned boats in the US are 25' or under. A closed deck design should be higher in the middle than the sides. One, it sheds water better. Two, should you capsize in open water, it's possible to turn the kayak upside down and empty the water out. This requires a lot of flotation. A coaming around the cockpit will also help keep water out and gives you a place to attach a spray skirt that will really help in rough water. Stuffing any empty spaces full with inflatable bags also limits the amount of water the kayak can take on. This works with open canoes as well. Skin in frame designs rely on the skin being tight to provide rigidity. The two I have, have inflatable sponsors on each side that pull the skin taut. The sponsors also provide a significant amount of secondary stability. I'd have taken those kayaks on a shallow slow moving river for a few miles or a calm lake fishing trip, but 60+ miles on a large, fast moving river with portions inaccessible? Not a chance. | |||
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Being that they based out of Cedar City I'd guess you're one letter off with the morons descriptor. Although they do seem to be morons as well. Not that it had anything to do with their ill conceived plans. And yes, you'd have thought at least one rational adult would have questioned it. | |||
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A folbot it is not. When I was a Boy Scout every edition of Boys Life had ads for Folbot, a folding kayak. I wanted one but, alas, money for such things wasn't available at that point in my life. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Folding_kayak In my 20's I made up for it, whitewater boating was my focus. Met my wife at a canoe club meeting so it worked out well. Let me help you out. Which way did you come in? | |||
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delicately calloused |
Maryanne or Ginger? You’re a lying dog-faced pony soldier | |||
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Non-Miscreant |
I've been to Crystal Geyser. Several times in fact. But of course I drove my Jeep.. It did well on land and didn't even take on any water. I guess we differ on what a large river is. Its bigger than a small stream. By a little. Best not be on the water when the geyser decides it time to go off. Especially those flimsy things. For background, the geyser isn't a steam powered affair. It started as an exploration hole. The geyser itself comes up through a pipe, maybe 12" in diameter. Some idiots in the past have attempted to clog it with all manner of debris, maybe the worst of which was at least one railroad tie. It goes off when the internal chambers fill with water and dissolves enough carbon dioxide to force everything inside up and out. Its a fun thing to watch because everyone there takes his/her camera and starts snapping photos when the 12" spray gets maybe 20 or so feet in the air. Then more when it gets to maybe 50 or 60 feet. Then the stop to conserve film or space on their phone/chip. Then it really gets going and at 100' or so draws your attention. The material coming out flows kind of like water, but you could call it mineral water, with the mineral getting the emphasis. Kind of a nasty brown stuff. Its at the end of a road that goes through the middle of a missile base. That part is abandoned. They used to send sounding rockets out across the dessert. They didn't recover all of them. One guy down in Moab found one and mounted it on top of his jeep to parade around town. I wouldn't want to be the guy to discredit the sheriff's spokesperson, but... it was a fairly calm stream back in the last century. Didn't pick up much steam until the walls close in. My experience with scout leaders wasn't all positive. They accept anyone willing to donate the time. No skill needed. If you're ever in Green River, take a few hours to go sit and watch the geyser. Not in a boat and not from the water. Unhappy ammo seeker | |||
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At this point in my life, surprise me. | |||
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That isn't quite true. BSA actually has pretty high standards for their leaders and offer extensive training. Alas, though, it falls to the chartering organization and higher level volunteers to ensure that the leaders are, in fact, properly trained, and sometimes they don't. In fact, I am scheduled to take the requisite paddle craft safety training next week at Summer Camp. This space intentionally left blank. | |||
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Alea iacta est |
It was flowing just shy of 12,000 cubic feet per second. That’s a fair bit if water. I certainly wouldn’t let anyone get into a river with that much flow in a damn pvc covered in tyvek boat. Suicidal. The “lol” thread | |||
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Help! Help! I'm being repressed! |
If only they had used duct tape! | |||
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Banned |
People don’t think boatbuilding be like it is, but it do. | |||
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Savor the limelight |
There's two pictures in the linked article and the Green River looks to be 1,000 feet across. | |||
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Coin Sniper |
That was not ill-fated, that was poorly planned and executed. This could have been a fun project, a great learning experience, and taught valuable lessons about how to execute a project. IF... they had taken the simple precaution of testing the craft for basic seaworthiness and stability under increasing loads in a shallow (2-3 feet) pond, lake, or even a pool, then repeating tests in slow moving shallow streams before tackling a swift river. If these options weren't available the project should have been scrapped. Pronoun: His Royal Highness and benevolent Majesty of all he surveys 343 - Never Forget Its better to be Pavlov's dog than Schrodinger's cat There are three types of mistakes; Those you learn from, those you suffer from, and those you don't survive. | |||
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