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Originally posted by P220 Smudge:

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Originally posted by flashguy:
If I refused to deal with every company in P220's list I'd starve to death.

If you're living off foods produced or delivered by (in alphabetical order) Ben & Jerry’s, Burger King, Chick-fil-A, Chipotle, Coca Cola, Doritos, DoorDash, Frosted Mini Wheats, Gatorade, Gushers, Hershey’s, McDonald’s, Pepsi Co, Popeye’s Chicken, Pop-Tarts, Pringles, Red Lobster, Reese’s, Rice Krispies, Starbucks, Subway, Sysco Corporation, Taco Bell, Uber Eats, and Wendy’s and not merely being hyperbolic, then I might humbly suggest that not only would you not starve to death by cutting all of those companies out of your intake, you'd actually be much healthier and happier for having done so.

Let's be plain, here. The left has no problem coordinating to go after who and what they see as their political enemies. A lot of folks on the right, by contrast, remind me of pandas born in captivity who won't mate to save their species. If eating Doritos and drinking Pepsi because you're finicky is your priority, I guess I don't know what to say to that, really.

Surely that list isn't complete and so I don't view it as the end-all, but there are alternatives to every single business on that list and the many others who espouse these beliefs and donate to, and support radical leftists. It's not unreasonable to seek out their competitors, give them your business, and let them know why they now have it. It is far from the point where you have to do business with folks who pander to the left, but if we as consumers don't speak up and start putting our money where our mouth is, then eventually it may actually get to that point. I'm not starving over here, and I'm not bored or lacking entertainment. Putting it mildly: to imply that this is, or will be the case, is unrealistic at the very least.

the brand names help ID those that have gone woke, but are just a bit superficial maybe,

since Dorito is Frito Lay, the same chip makers that also is part of Pepsi, and that large conglomerate,
(gatorade, taco bell, etc)



sysco supplies food to a ton of deli's, business cafeterias, small restuarants and grocery stores,

You can use some of the products listed and still make it expensive/non-profitable for that company to have you as a customer.

This topic came up on Ted Cruz's podcast. Guest Eric Weinstein. The point was made that businesses are using this as a tactic to divide the workforce making it much less likely to unionize.

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Originally posted by 12131:

Not surprised by many of the usual suspects. But, I'm surprised by some companies that are not on there - Walmart, Walgreens, and United Airlines.

I had the same thought. I worked in Wag's legal dept until 2015. The company was pretty woke then and I can only assume it's gotten worse since.

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Originally posted by lyman:
the brand names help ID those that have gone woke, but are just a bit superficial maybe,

since Dorito is Frito Lay, the same chip makers that also is part of Pepsi, and that large conglomerate,
(gatorade, taco bell, etc)



sysco supplies food to a ton of deli's, business cafeterias, small restuarants and grocery stores,

Absolutely. Like Gillette being owned by Procter & Gamble, we no longer purchase anything made under the umbrella of the parent company. We’ve had no problem finding alternative products in order to do so. In the case of Gillette, I started buying up vintage razors and have actually gotten much better shaves, which led to making it a bit of a hobby of mine, and now I own a small collection of vintage razors and quite enjoy shaving now. It’s much cheaper, much better quality of a shave for me. Gillette’s modern products have always chewed up my face, and so this is nothing but a positive for me.

Sysco, I’m very familiar with. I worked in the restaurant industry for a long time, and there’s hardly a food service business anywhere that doesn’t deal with Sysco in some capacity. This is one of those things I merely accept, because I’m not completely insane and I realize there are practical limits to this thing. We don’t eat out much anyway, and tend to mostly cook at home, so there’s that at least.

P220, I never married and I don't cook. Not many sit-down restaurants are currently open. I've made it to 82 years old -- how are you doing?

flashguy

I think racism is a very real problem, and we have a moral obligation to overcome racism.

The current BLM movement has nothing to do with overcoming racism. Racism is merely a ploy to stir up stink for their gain, which includes dismantling American principles.

I wonder how many businesses, celebrities, politicians, who support the movement, believe they are being honorable? Vs how many know it is a farce, but feel they will benefit by being politically correct?

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Here’s another issue I’m wrestling with: I am a member of a local semi-pro choir; among other things we sing with the local symphony. The choral director is an SJW; he decided the choir would sing a piece called “The Seven Last Words of the Unarmed”—guess what that was about. Michael Brown et al. I managed to skip out of it because we were going on a trip; but he’s announced he’s going to be doing more such stuff.
This is a great group; with some “deplorable” in it, not just me.
But I’ve decided I’m not going to stand up there and endorse lies destructive to our country.
I’m waiting to see if there’s a group statement by those who think like me. I
If not, I will let everyone know exactly why I am quitting the choir.
Why do the fine things in life we all enjoy have to become suffused with politics?

That’s quite the dilemma and I feel for you.

I commend you for sticking to your guns.

sjtill, I sympathise with you on the chorus thing. Choral singing is one of my important activities and I'd hate to give it up. I sing with my church choir and have done it with my churches/chapels since I was 9 years old. I have also sung with secular chorues, and enjoyed it over the years. I quit the secular chorus (affiliated with a college) I'd sung with a couple of years ago because the logistics of their concerts got to be too much for me (I'm 82 and not very mobile); fortunately for me, the Directors of that chorus never tried to push any political agendas on our music. I did once refuse to sing a particular piece, because it was a horrible parody of one I cherished (not political).

You'll have to make your own decision about the chorus, but I, myself, would dissolve my membership. I have the advantage of living in an area that has many venues for choral singing, so would probably affiliate with another group. (Around here, many of the "pro" groups are mainly LGBTQ, is that an issue?)

My best wishes for you, and applaud you for taking a stand.

flashguy

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Originally posted by flashguy:
P220, I never married and I don't cook. Not many sit-down restaurants are currently open. I've made it to 82 years old -- how are you doing?

flashguy

I wasn't trying to rustle your feathers, I was trying to actually argue the point you were making. Clearly, you're not the intended audience for the list I posted, as your circumstances are a bit of a statistical outlier. Neither of us is going to convince the other that the way we live is right for the other, that's plain, and that's fine.

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Originally posted by P220 Smudge:

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Originally posted by flashguy:
P220, I never married and I don't cook. Not many sit-down restaurants are currently open. I've made it to 82 years old -- how are you doing?

flashguy

I wasn't trying to rustle your feathers, I was trying to actually argue the point you were making. Clearly, you're not the intended audience for the list I posted, as your circumstances are a bit of a statistical outlier. Neither of us is going to convince the other that the way we live is right for the other, that's plain, and that's fine.

OK. We're cool.

flashguy

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Originally posted by flashguy:
P220, I never married and I don't cook. Not many sit-down restaurants are currently open. I've made it to 82 years old -- how are you doing?

flashguy

That’s impressive for someone that eats out that much. At this point just keep doing what you’re doing.

This shit is personal for me. By now, you know what I do for a living.

There is NO WAY on Gods green earth that I can support an organization that has openly advocated for the murder of Police officers. I've had rocks, bricks, bottles, fireworks, and punches tossed at me over this summer. I've heard that very distinct sound wizz past me a few times on the street. My friends have been hurt by these assholes.

And you want me to give them my money?

"You're not giving black lies matter your money, you're giving -insert company name here- your money!"
Well, -insert company name here- is laundering money for black lies matter.

I know that list is long, and it's going to be difficult, but fuck them and those that support them. They can ALL choke on a dump truck full of syphlitic cock.

^^^^^ Thanks CPD SIG, can the Police Unions across the US make a joint statement of this? We know the department brass (at least the big departments) aren't likely to.

All of this is a result of legal and PR departments at corporations making calculated decisions about their "position" this to maximize customer appeal, and minimize reprisals. History has proven that their current approach will do them the least harm. The only way they will change is if they incur less customer appeal and more reprisals for "doing what they've always done".

I have said this before. Even though I am a free marketer who thinks Ayn Rand foretold all of this better than anyone else, the primary issue right now is class not race. The woke left technology companies and investment banks are run by some of the richest people ever to walk the face of the earth. The thing the rich fear more than anything else is NOT being rich, so they have traditionally taken conservative anti-marxist positions to prevent creeping socialism (or revolution) from turning the tables on them.

But now, the merger of Marxism with identity politics has changed things. Identity politics is what marxism has been direly in need of for 100 years. The endless diatribes of the "proletariat" against the "bourgeoise" oppressors are just tedious and hard to relate to for most people. But what if it was blacks fighting white oppression? Now that gets traction, for many reasons. That fight is the "good fight", although it was won more than 50 years ago from a legal perspective. The merger means that the rich can no longer be anti-marxist because politically they have to be pro racial equality and everything else BLM pretends to be.

So the rich have shrewdly joined the other side. They promote the marxists and their "racial equality" mantra while positioning themselves to be treated as "favored" by the marxists and allowed to keep their riches as long as they do the bidding for BLM. They are also quietly banking on the racial animosity to divert attention away from the class issue.

The rich tech and media companies are increasingly exercising their power to censor dissenting views, to further entrench themselves as "favored", but also to show they can censor the marxists too if they choose to, so it would be best not "unfavor" them....