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Most excellent-

And if California's magazine ban is unconstitutional, that means...
 
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Some Retailers are now shipping standard cap to CA.
 
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Some Retailers are now shipping standard cap to CA.


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I hope Magpul (and others) just dumps about a million mags on the market before it get appealed...
 
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This is awesome! Going to try to stock up Big Grin

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Some Retailers are now shipping standard cap to CA.


I've only heard Gun Preppers Shop will ship, so far. Any others? I tried PSA, but it blocked my AR 30 round mags. Not the pistol mags though...




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Now we need a Judge Benitez in NY




We need him in Colorado too.
 
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I may just have to bring back some from my stash in a neighboring state.


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Here is a link to the original preliminary injunction he published in 2017:

http://michellawyers.com/wp-co...inary-Injunction.pdf

This is GOOD reading. Look at some of the items that the state gave as examples that he said had nothing to do with the case:

- a survey of shooting incidents published by Mother Jones magazine.

- a lot of articles together


On page 55, take a look for the term "talismanic incantation". Pure gold, especially when he prefaced it with "violent gun use is a constitutionally-protected means for law-abiding citizens to protect themselves from criminals".

We can only hope that the judge remains active in senior status for a while. His orders are very well-written.

If you want to go through the ENTIRE list of filings, pleadings, what not, what for, and WHY the heck are they doing this - here is the link to the page with the chronology:

http://michellawyers.com/duncan-v-becerra/

I'd love for him to take a crack at the "unsafe gun" list and the roster.
 
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so for the time being, full cap mags are legal?


I'm thinking it's only the grandfathered standard cap mags are legal. Those were made illegal by this law.



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This is amazing news. Now to reverse these BS assault weapon laws and the infamous “roster”.

I’ve seen several other retailers state they will be selling 11+ round capacity mags as soon as they open in the morning.
 
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Dave Kopel has written a commentary on the ruling for the Volokh Conspiracy:

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District Court permanently enjoins California magazine confiscation law
David Kopel|Mar. 29, 2019 6:52 pm

Magazines, California, Second Amendment, Duncan V. Becerra
California's statute to confiscate all magazines over 10 rounds has been permanently enjoined by the United States District Court for the Southern District of California. The opinion was written by Judge Roger T. Benitez.

Previously, Judge Benitez had issued a preliminary injunction against the confiscation law, and the preliminary injunction was upheld by the Ninth Circuit, as discussed in this post. Today's decision follows cross-motions for summary judgment, and makes the injunction permanent. The next step in Duncan v. Becerra will be an appeal to the Ninth Circuit by California Attorney General Xavier Becerra.

The 86-page opinion is the most thorough judicial analysis thus far of the magazine ban question. The opinion is founded on a careful analysis of the record, and thus provides an excellent basis for future appellate review on the merits, perhaps one day by the U.S. Supreme Court.

Covering all bases, the opinion analyzes the confiscation law under a variety of standards of review. First is the standard favored by Judge Benitez, what he calls "The Supreme Court's Simple Heller Test." In short, magazines over 10 rounds are plainly "in common use" "for lawful purposes like self-defense." Ergo, they may not be confiscated. The analysis is similar to then-Judge Kavanaugh's dissenting opinion in the 2011 Heller II case in the D.C. Circuit.

The Duncan opinion then examines the confiscation statute under various levels of "heightened scrutiny": categorical invalidation, strict scrutiny, and intermediate scrutiny. The confiscation statute is found unconstitutional under each of these standards.

Under the various heightened scrutiny tests, the government bears the burden of proof. The opinion explains in depth why the evidence put forward by the California Attorney General does not come close to carrying that burden. The core problem is that the Attorney General's evidence, which relies heavily on expert declarations, is speculative, shoddy, or unrelated to the statute at issue.

Nor are there any "longstanding" laws that create a tradition of banning magazines over ten rounds--notwithstanding the Attorney General's efforts to invent such a tradition based on state machine gun controls enacted in the 1920s or 1930s.

The Attorney General's argument that law-abiding citizens do not "need" magazines over 10 rounds is rejected as directly contrary to Heller, which defers to the choices of the American people, not the government, about what is appropriate for self-defense. Several incidents detailed at the beginning of the opinion describe the harms suffered by crime victims who had insufficient defensive ammunition capacity.

Moreover, defense against ordinary criminals may be a leading purpose of the Second Amendment, but it is not the only purpose. "Today, self-protection is most important. In the future, the common defense may once again be most important. Constitutional rights stand through time holding fast through the ebb and flow of current controversy." The government may not respond to bad political ideas by censoring speech, nor respond to crime waves "with warrantless searches and unreasonable seizures. Neither can the government response to a few mad men with guns and ammunition be a law that turns millions of responsible, law-abiding people trying to protect themselves into criminals."

Under heightened scrutiny, laws restricting constitutional rights must be "tailored"--in strict scrutiny, "narrow tailoring"; in intermediate scrutiny, "a reasonable fit." But the confiscation statute "is not tailored at all. It fits like a burlap bag. It is a single-dimensional, prophylactic, blanket thrown across the population of the state."

The confiscation statute cannot be saved by invoking the mantra of "deference." First of all, the confiscation law was enacted by ballot initiative, and not by the California general assembly. No deference is due to ballot measures that infringe constitutional rights. Even if the statute were a legislative enactment, the statute is not proven to be constitutional simply because the government offers some evidence. Some courts in Second Amendment cases have adopted an ultradeferential "some evidence" standard, but Judge Benitez disagrees. As he points out, the key case cited by advocates for ultradeference is the Supreme Court's Turner II decision, upholding certain congressional mandates on cable television providers. The Supreme Court majority in Heller rejected Justice Breyer's dissent urging Turner deference in Second Amendment cases. And even if Turner were the controlling case, the Turner Court was hardly lax in its judicial review. The Supreme Court "extensively analyzed over the course of twenty pages the empirical evidence cited by the government, and only then concluded that the government's policy was grounded on reasonable factual findings supported by evidence that is substantial for a legislative determination....Turner deference does not mean a federal court is relegated to rubber-stamping a broad-based arbitrary incursion on a constitutional right founded on speculative line-drawing and without any sign of tailoring for fit."

Congratulations to plaintiffs' attorneys Michel & Associates. While a three-judge panel of the Ninth Circuit lies ahead, and so perhaps do an en banc and the Supreme Court, today's opinion is a victory for serious judicial review of arms confiscation laws.


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Now I'm waiting for Jim Allen's opinion.


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Good decision. With California adding another 10 firearm control measures just recently, it's going to take more than a single common sense ruling, but it's a good step in the right direction.

I prefer to avoid California for the same reasons, but who knows? Maybe one day...(when hell unfreezes)...
 
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Jesus H. Christo...OMG!

Ok, deep breathes, this is just a small start in chiseling away at the seawall of anti-gun measures that currently exist. Of course there will be an appeal however, the tremendously well written and researched opinion will provide precedence for future rulings. This is particularly important as SCOTUS rulings are based around precedence.
 
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Well took the leap and spent $200 on some mags. Hopefully the orders go through. Some people on CG apparently are dropping 4 figures haha wish I could. It is very exciting for now, but we will see how this all pans out. Still an awesome night!




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Just ordered $350 worth...fingers crossed that it'll go through but it's been one hell of a night.
 
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AND... They aren't a hundred bucks like during the panic.

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Good for California!!

To bad the judge is now in Senior status. We need a younger version(s) to get religion too.

I hope mags are sold by the truckload to California!

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so for the time being, full cap mags are legal?


I'm thinking it's only the grandfathered standard cap mags are legal. Those were made illegal by this law.


I think he finds the entire magazine ban unconstitutional based upon the standards set forth in Heller. The decision seems based upon an unreasonable infringement, not upon violating the “taking” precedent. I think this might prove to be a most excellent ruling!




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so for the time being, full cap mags are legal?


I'm thinking it's only the grandfathered standard cap mags are legal. Those were made illegal by this law.


I think it is the ban in its entirity.

If I recall correctly the most recent ban on possession was not codified in new PC sections but rather new verbage was added to the existing laws that banned manufacture/importation/sales/blah blah blah.

I've seen Arms Unlimitted and PrepperGunStore state they are now shipping to us.

The one caveat that I can think of is this: the AWB still states that a fixed magazine centerfire weapon with a capacity of 11 or more is an assault weapon. Logic leads me to believe this ruling won't change that particular avenue of restriction...

So for us CA, I wouldn't be putting those standard cap mags in a fixed mag rifle, but I would put it in a featureless rifle.

Either way, buy this weekend before there is even the chance of an injunction on Monday. The timing of this release was awesome.
 
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