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The article is below. The comment towards the end about Goering is a surprise to me. I knew what happened in 1945 but for him to have been planning a coup as early as 1941... US papers shed light on efforts to spy on fascist sympathisers. When the Duke and Duchess of Windsor sailed into Palm Beach, Florida, on the SS Berkshire from Nassau on April 18 1941 they were looking forward to enjoying three days of relaxation at the Everglades Club playing golf and drinking and gossiping with American high society. Little did they know that the previous night instructions had gone out from President Roosevelt to FBI chief J Edgar Hoover to launch what was to be an extraordinary covert intelligence exercise that had to fool both the exiled royals and the US secret service agent who was guarding them. The exercise was launched after the FBI had been passed intelligence that the duke and duchess were being used by the Nazis to obtain secrets which could wreck the allies' war effort. The US investigation became even more lurid when FBI agents interviewed a benedictine monk in a Franciscan monastery in the United States; Father Odo had once been the Duke of Wurttemberg, a minor German royal with connections to Queen Mary, the duke's mother, and her brother, the Duke of Athlone, then governor general of Canada. Advertisement He told them that a prime suspect in the investigation - Joachim von Ribbentrop, then the Nazis' foreign minister - had been the duchess's lover when he was ambassador to Britain in 1936. The minister was already thought to have been supplied with information by the duchess during the German invasion of France in 1940. Now it was suggested that there was far closer arrangement. Father Odo told the agent: "He knew definitely that von Ribbentrop, while in England, sent the then Wallis Simpson 17 carnations every day. The 17 supposedly represented the number of times they had slept together." He also revealed that the Duchess of Windsor had told guests at a Paris party that: "The duke is impotent and although he had tried sexual intercourse with numerous women they had been unsuccesful in satisfying his passions." Guardian Today: the headlines, the analysis, the debate - sent direct to you Read more He went on: "The duchess in her own inimitable and unique manner has been the only woman who had been able to satisfactorily gratify the duke's sexual desires." Exile The duke was forced into exile after he abdicated as King Edward VIII in 1936. He first went with his lover, formerly the American divorcee Wallis Simpson, to France and was only later exiled again to Bahamas to keep him out of the way. By the time the US president authorised the intelligence operation, the couple had been deserted and snubbed by the royal family and the British establishment. They were suspected of favouring the Nazis after they visited Germany in 1937 and were entertained by Hitler and other senior Nazis. A year after war broke out, the FBI sent a memo to President Roosevelt outlining the agency's worries about the couple. It stated: "It has been ascertained that for some time, the British government has known that the Duchess of Windsor was exceedingly pro-German in her sympathies and connections and there is strong reason to believe that this is the reason why she was considered so obnoxious to the British government that they refused to permit Edward to marry her and maintain the throne. "Both she and the Duke of Windsor have been repeatedly warned by representatives of the British government that in the interest of the morale of the British people, they should be exceedingly circumspect in their dealings with the representatives of the German government. The duke is in such state of intoxication most of the time that he is virtually non compos mentis. The duchess has repeatedly ignored these warnings." When war broke out, the duke, a serving officer, had been posted to France to liaise between the British and French armies. But the secret memo, on September 13 1940, reports that an informant had "established conclusively that the Duchess of Windsor has recently been in touch with Joachim von Ribbentrop and was maintaining constant contact and communication with him." "Because of their high official position, the duchess was obtaining a variety of information concerning the British and French official activities that she was passing on to the Germans." After the Germans invaded northern France in May 1940, the couple fled to Biarritz in the south. But the FBI noted that the Nazis were able to score a propaganda coup by broadcasting that the "increasing successes of the German armies" had compelled the couple to retreat to a Biarritz hotel. Within minutes of checking in, Berlin radio announced their hotel room number because the unnamed informant "had ascertained that the duchess had informed von Ribbentrop of her itinerary, schedule, etc, prior to her departure from their villa." The couple then travelled to Spain in June 1940 "but the communications between the duchess and von Ribbentrop were apparently facilitated because of the pronounced Nazi sympathies in Spain." In July 1940, the pair moved to Portugal where the duke made indiscreet remarks that Britain stood little chance of resisting a German invasion and may as well try to settle for peace with the Germans. Ribbentrop, encouraged by these remarks, hatched a plot to lure the Windsors into German hands. But Winston Churchill had arranged for the duke to become governor of the Bahamas in August 1940. "The British were and are always fearful that the duchess will do or say some thing which will indicate her Nazi sympathies and support, and consequently it was considered absolutely essential that the Windsors be removed to a point where they would do absolutely no harm," wrote the FBI in the memo, one of a batch of 227 pages released to the Guardian under the US freedom of information act. The FBI believed that the Bahamas were selected to prevent the duchess from coming into contact with British officials and scooping up more secrets to leak and that special precautions were taken, presumably by the British, to prevent her from "establishing any channel of communication with von Ribbentrop." From their base in the Bahamas, the couple made frequent visits to the United States during the war. In April 1941, President Roosevelt ordered FBI agents to tail the Windsors discreetly when they visited Florida. But J Edgar Hoover was alarmed because bodyguards from another government department had been assigned to protect the couple. He warned that the bodyguards "would undoubtedly immediately detect the presence of any undercover agents, which might result in considerable embarrassment to all parties concerned". Deal Instead, the government arranged for the bodyguards to report back to the FBI on where the Windsors went and whom they met. An 18-page report was subsequently produced on the five-day trip. On May 2, an FBI agent wrote to Hoover, saying that an English socialite had told an informant that he had definite proof that Herman Goering, Hitler's deputy, and the Duke of Windsor had reached a deal - "after Germany won the war, Goering, through control of the army, was going to overthrow Hitler and then he would install the duke as king of England." The informant also stated that there was no doubt that "the Duchess of Windsor had had an affair with Ribbentrop, and that of course she had an intense hate for the English since they had kicked them out of England". LINK _________________________ NRA Endowment Member _________________________ "Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." -- C.S. Lewis | ||
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Practically every German general was involved in one or another plot to overthrow Hitler, but none of them had the balls to make a move. _________________________ “Remember, remember the fifth of November!" | |||
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Don't Panic |
Not exactly a smoking gun, here, when you get to the related bit in the article.... the gist is that an unnamed socialite claimed proof that 'Goering told the duke xyz.' Far more likely, in context, that, even if those words were exchanged, that Hermann G was blowing smoke up DoW's formerly-Royal vision port just to keep the Duke pro-German for propaganda purposes. | |||
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SIGforum's Berlin Correspondent |
While Göring was officially designated by Hitler as his successor in case of his death in 1934, and continued to collect offices and titles, by 1940 he was being pushed aside. In 1938 he had arranged the Munich Conference with Mussolini behind the back of foreign minister Ribbentrop, the results of which disappointed Hitler when the Western powers sacrified Czechoslovakia, depriving him of the war he had wanted then already; Göring was subsequently shut out of foreign policy (and with Ribbentrop figuring in the original article, it's not inconceivable that the coup rumor was an attempted smear of Göring by the latter, played via third and fourth parties). In March 1940, he was replaced by Fritz Todt as armaments czar, having failed expectations in materially preparing Germany for war. By 1941 he was also blamed for the Luftwaffe's lack of success in the Battle of Britain, and in preventing air raids on Germany. By 1942 he had largely become a figurehead, failing to provide the effective airlift he had promised to supply the besieged 6th German Army at Stalingrad. At war's end he left Berlin for South Germany before the city was surrounded by the Soviets. Afterwards he telegraphed Hitler that if he heard nothing from him until ten that evening, he would consider himself in charge per the 1934 succession rule. Hitler did interpret that as an attempted coup, ordered him arrested and banished him from the NSDAP. But that was in 1945. | |||
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Fighting the good fight |
Yeah, none of them... except the Generals that did make moves, and their moves failed. These include: March 1943 - General Henning von Trescow tries to blow up Hitler's plane during his flight with a bomb disguised in a gift parcel. The parcel is placed in the cargo hold, where it inadvertently freezes during the flight, rendering the detonator inert. (This was actually Trescow's 3rd plan to kill Hitler, but the only one that was actually attempted, with the first two falling apart in the planning stages.) March 1943 - General Rudolf von Gersdorff tries to blow up Hitler with a pair of time bombs during Hitler's visit to an museum. Hitler unexpectedly leaves before the bombs are scheduled to explode, and Gersdorff is forced to disarm the bombs. July 1944 - General Hans Oster, General Ludwig Beck, Field Marshall Erwin von Witzleben, General Erich Fellgiebel, and General Friedrich Olbricht team up with Colonel Claus von Stauffenberg and other officers to detonate a bomb in Hitler's bunker and then seize control of Berlin. Hitler survives the blast and the coup in Berlin is crushed after a short time. (This one is the most famous, and there have been numerous books and a few movies made about it.) And those are just the Generals who attempted to kill Hitler. There were a number of other lower-ranking officers, politicians, civilians, resistance members, and foreign agents who tried to kill Hitler too. | |||
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