I hate reading all this about Boeing. What a shame, a great American company, being driven into the dirt.
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May 09, 2025, 08:40 AM
nhtagmember
Boeing can be saved. You just need to get rid of the accountants running the show and put the engineers back in charge.
MBA’s have no business running companies.
May 16, 2025, 08:54 AM
Pipe Smoker
“President Donald Trump defended his decision to accept the gift of a plane from Qatar to use as a temporary Air Force One.”
I see no problem with President Trump.
Big problems with Boeing though.
Serious about crackers.
May 16, 2025, 09:45 AM
6guns
^^^ And Boeing got huge contracts from the Middle East as a result of the Presidents visit. I hope they can fulfill it on time.
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May 17, 2025, 01:49 PM
41
It will cost too much to upgrade the systems as are on the present Air Force One.
They could use it as a VIP plane. The present Air Force One was released around 1991 so it is about 34 years old. How long is the life of a plane that gets limited use? Lots of things to consider.
41
May 17, 2025, 03:34 PM
nhtagmember
The other thing is that the Qatari plane is going to be the backup AF1 since we don’t have one right now.
And the discussions for this deal began during the Biden administration. Trump just closed the deal.
May 17, 2025, 03:40 PM
92fstech
quote:
Originally posted by nhtagmember: The other thing is that the Qatari plane is going to be the backup AF1 since we don’t have one right now.
Aren't there two VC25As? Did something happen to one of them?
May 17, 2025, 07:46 PM
41
Inside the NEW Air Force One
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May 17, 2025, 08:44 PM
MikeNH
quote:
Originally posted by 41: It will cost too much to upgrade the systems as are on the present Air Force One.
They could use it as a VIP plane. The present Air Force One was released around 1991 so it is about 34 years old. How long is the life of a plane that gets limited use? Lots of things to consider.
Main issue is parts. The 747-200 isn't in use anywhere else except maybe a literal handful of aircraft. Something breaks, it may not be available now.
May 17, 2025, 08:56 PM
drill sgt
Saw one report that if the gifted plane was allowed to be kept that the upgraded security / communication measures would take at least 4 years because the plane would have to be totally tore apart every inch and rebuilt to make sure no listening bugs were hidden in a concealed space. ..... drill sgt.
May 17, 2025, 09:18 PM
nhtagmember
the problem with the backup AF1 is structural in nature and not currently repairable
it wasn't a major issue until Boeing started fucking the dog on its replacement and so far behind schedule that it was something that needed to be mitigated
May 18, 2025, 10:30 AM
BOATTRASH1
I'm thinking that President Trump would have been better off in his first term to just order 2 new aircraft while the production line was operating. Surely it didn't take 8 years to build a 747. In the meantime, maybe get a couple 777's or 787's that are under construction and do the conversion on them.
May 18, 2025, 10:46 AM
sigspecops
All of this is embarrassing. In WW2, we were churning out a B25 bomber every 30 days. I know a modern jet is far more complicated, but something is terribly wrong for it to take years to build one. Are there just 10 people out on the assembly line, taking union breaks every 15 minutes?
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May 18, 2025, 10:54 AM
Pipe Smoker
quote:
Originally posted by BOATTRASH1: I'm thinking that President Trump would have been better off in his first term to just order 2 new aircraft while the production line was operating. Surely it didn't take 8 years to build a 747. <snip>
I believe that President Trump did order two Boeing passenger jets for Air Force One replacements during his first term.
The article linked in my OP says that he did. But their production has been horribly slow.
Serious about crackers.
May 18, 2025, 11:02 AM
4MUL8R
The President could just use Amtrak for USA travel, just like Roosevelt. Wait, Amtrak is broken too.
------- Trying to simplify my life...
May 19, 2025, 11:18 PM
41
Do Leftists Really Believe the Trump Family Wants Another Plane?
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May 21, 2025, 07:48 PM
AUTiger89
This seems like a HUGE national security concern to me. Qatar funds terrorism.
quote:
Originally posted by Pipe Smoker: “President Donald Trump defended his decision to accept the gift of a plane from Qatar to use as a temporary Air Force One.”
