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Well, I can live with out this update. https://www.newsbusters.org/bl...gLtcaaHmq0NVwKwWBplg RMD TL Davis: “The Second Amendment is special, not because it protects guns, but because its violation signals a government with the intention to oppress its people…” Remember: After the first one, the rest are free. | ||
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Nullus Anxietas |
"Sneaks?" It clearly notes, in the update notification, they've included an "Exposure Notification API to support Covid-19 contact tracing apps from public health authorities." Note: An API, not actual tracking. I have mixed feelings about this. Android will be doing the same: iPhone And Android App For COVID-19 Contact Tracing Will Be Strictly Opt-In Only Note: Strictly Opt-In Only For now, anyway  "America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system,,,, but too early to shoot the bastards." -- Claire Wolfe "If we let things terrify us, life will not be worth living." -- Seneca the Younger, Roman Stoic philosopher | |||
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It’s interesting that the author of the article in Ensigmatic’s link states that nearly one third (29% per the pie chart) view this tracking favorably. The same author fails to mention that 71% are not in favor. Biased reporting? הרחפת שלי מלאה בצלופחים | |||
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The Apple/Google feature uses bluetooth. If that's not in use, then it's irrelevant. The feature is available to various contact tracing applications that users would have to install on their phone; applications provided by states or nations (various US States are considering using them, but cannot compel a phone owner to put the application on their phone, any more than they can compel someone to own a phone). The concept is that where many applications have failed due to interface between android and apple IOS systems, the feature offered by Apple/Google will use bluetooth from both devices to eliminate those problems. What it does do: reports to the phone user that he or she has been in proximity of someone who may be a carrier. What it does not do: reports to the government or an agency/company/group other than the phone owner/user. Don't want it? Turn off blue tooth. Don't install a contact tracing application. I have been in several countries recently in which installation of such software on one's phone is mandatory as a condition of entry; refusal means refusal to enter the country (not an option for me), and mandator quarantine in what amounts to a COVID gulag. Also not an option for me. https://covid19-static.cdn-app...fication-FAQv1.1.pdf
Applications must first be user-installed, and can only get information if the user inputs it, and requires user consent.
If one elects to use it, and if one elects to install and use the separate, independent application, the only way that application will have data showing the user to be positive, is if the user enters it himself or herself and voluntarily shares it. I don't use blue tooth, and I don't do applications. I have an iPhone 11, with all the SIRI, analytic, advertising, position tracking, and other features shut off. I don't do social media. I don't have any social media accounts. I don't do any information sharing. The only way this feature will impact me or my phone is if I install an application and grant consent, neither of which will happen. | |||
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So you can install the app when you enter, then uninstall it once you clear customs?  __________________________________ NRA Benefactor I lost all my weapons in a boating, umm, accident. http://www.aufamily.com/forums/ | |||
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| sick puppy |
I agree that “sneak” is hardly the adjective to describe this. Its been in the news for weeks that this would be coming to apple and android as a strictly opt-in feature. I know a lot of companies are sucking the Covid teet hard for government money and govt/corp overreach. Also, Apple, im sure, already tracks just about everything i do with my phone, but Apple and the FBI are also at-odds still over the unlocking of citizen phones, so theres a weird schism there. Regardless, however, and ultimately, as far as thIs “tracker” goes, its been well publicized and isnt just a another one of those grey area policies hidden in the term and conditions. ____________________________ While you may be able to get away with bottom shelf whiskey, stay the hell away from bottom shelf tequila. - FishOn | |||
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If you don't like your job, and you prefer imprisonment, yes. | |||
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| Nullus Anxietas |
Like they didn't think of that  My guess is they'll check you on the way out.I run Bluetooth full-time, as well as location services, and share analytics with Apple and app makers. IOW: All the stuff that scares the tin-foil-hat-wearing crowd  I'm not concerned, per se, but I am a bit wary of where this could (?) lead. I'm more concerned any particular update could break stuff. My phone, watch, and tablet are all working fine. I'd like to keep them working fine. Apple's track record with updates hasn't been great, lately. "America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system,,,, but too early to shoot the bastards." -- Claire Wolfe "If we let things terrify us, life will not be worth living." -- Seneca the Younger, Roman Stoic philosopher | |||
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| Do---or do not. There is no try. |
It’s like the old joke about the auto race between an American car and a Soviet car and the U.S. car won. The next day, the Soviet news agency Tass reported that the Soviet car finished second, and the American car came in next-to-last. | |||
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Big nothing burger. If this bothers you your tin foil hat may be too tight Apple and Google together on this, coming to android as well. It is OPT-IN... not mandatory. You will have to download/install a separate 3rd party app to even use, if desired. Not enough participation will mean this is a complete failure, just another virtue signaling exercise IMO. Collecting dust. | |||
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| His diet consists of black coffee, and sarcasm.  |
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| The Ice Cream Man |
At least from what I read, this was done in the least intrusive way possible. I honestly think Apple is concerned about where this could go - google’s core business is evil, so... This doesn’t seem worth it for Covid - but, sooner or later, influenza will make it out of China, again - or, some idiot will let Ebola out - Obama damn near did his best to do so. Having something like this, ready to go, could be very useful. | |||
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I agree as long as it remains 100% opt-in... free choice. Collecting dust. | |||
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| Be not wise in thine own eyes  |
Thinking I can live without a “smart” phone. What are the best dumb options? “We’re in a situation where we have put together, and you guys did it for our administration…President Obama’s administration before this. We have put together, I think, the most extensive and inclusive voter fraud organization in the history of American politics,” Pres. Select, Joe Biden “Let’s go, Brandon” Kelli Stavast, 2 Oct. 2021 | |||
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Shall Not Be Infringed |
Generally, it's been my experience that nearly all issues w/ most any 'device' (phones, PC's, etc) are associated w/ unnecessary 'updates' and the unanticipated problems they cause to devices that were working just fine until they weren't.  Unless there's some MAJOR Security Issue that's resolved, or the update either contains some MUST Have Feature that I cannot live without, or resolves an issue I'm currently having with the device, it doesn't NEED the update! Simply stated, IMO if it doesn't NEED the update, It doesn't GET the update! ____________________________________________________________ If Some is Good, and More is Better.....then Too Much, is Just Enough !! Trump 2024....Make America Great Again! "May Almighty God bless the United States of America" - parabellum 7/26/20 Live Free or Die! | |||
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| Thank you Very little  |
Which they know that nobody will do, or remember to keep turned off since it's not a simple switch like turning off sound. Lots of interesting arguments from gun owners along the lines, "if you aren't doing something wrong you shouldn't worry about being monitored" JMO it's none of your fucking business if I"m near you for any reason, none, zero. Just as it's none of my business if you're near me, nor should it be recorded, transmitted to anyone. Yes I know they can track the phones now, but this is tracing contacts, and it's a dangerous step... If you think it's acceptable, and that it's problematic the solution is simple. Stay home, inside, in your bubble and cower. | |||
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I'll use the Red Key |
Anybody that downloads a contact tracking app, fills it out and turns it on has to be a fucking moron. Donald Trump is not a politician, he is a leader, politicians are a dime a dozen, leaders are priceless. | |||
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Again guys... Don't want it... don't download and install a 3rd party tracking app. Apple and Google are not including the tracking with the update. They are simply making it possible *if you actively choose to add it to your phone* You don't have to turn off bluetooth to avoid it. As far as updates go... I do them always for the improved security and features. We were a 4 iPhone family going back to 2008, now 7 iPhones and 3 iPads, and have always updated ASAP with never a single issue due to an update. Collecting dust. | |||
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So, I'm still trying to understand, how does the phone know someone has/had the virus in the first place? Hedley Lamarr: Wait, wait, wait. I'm unarmed. Bart: Alright, we'll settle this like men, with our fists. Hedley Lamarr: Sorry, I just remembered . . . I am armed. | |||
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Sigforum K9 handler |
Indeed. Google and Apple never lie to us, Right? | |||
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