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Drill Here, Drill Now![]() |
Put me in the category of all men are equal. Shouldn't be harsher punishment for cop killers and there shouldn't be hate crime laws. Just enforce the laws on the books. The real change needed is a criminal sentenced to death penalty should be given 3 years for appeals and then they should take a dirt nap. We shouldn't have to house and feed them decade after decade. Ego is the anesthesia that deadens the pain of stupidity DISCLAIMER: These are the author's own personal views and do not represent the views of the author's employer. | |||
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I say no. If it's intent is to be used as a deterrent (Like those ~"fines double in school zone" signs, I doubt someone willing to commit murder is taking into consideration the potential punishment based on the employee of the intended victim. As counterpoint to the below and with All due respect to the honorable @.38supersig (PLEASE take no offense): Why not add Nuns and Sunday school teachers to this list? How about kids under 10, social workers and Soldiers? You could go on and on... IMO the lives of the innocent are equal in value.
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Green grass and high tides ![]() |
Equal justice for all. "Practice like you want to play in the game" | |||
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A Grateful American![]() |
I will add that in the case of certain crimes, there are multiple charges that can be levied, and I have no trouble with it, as it is not lessening one person over another. In that manner that a charge of killing a police officer, could be an additional charge. Not because the police officer is "more valued", but that the charge is levied against the murderer as an additional reprehensible act that is deserving of sentence as a capital crime. In a case where a police officer and non-LE persons were killed, the one committing those acts would be charged with separate (equal) counts of murder, and an additional count of killing a police officer. That does not diminish the non-police officer, but sees both as equals. "the meaning of life, is to give life meaning" ✡ Ani Yehudi אני יהודי Le'olam lo shuv לעולם לא שוב! | |||
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Drill Here, Drill Now![]() |
No state puts more murderers on death row than Texas. I know quite a Texas LEOs and can't think of a single one who runs towards danger because he/she knows if they die the perp is death penalty eligible. They run toward danger because of their character and training (e.g. post-Columbine active shooter doctrine changed to engage rather than surround). Shitbag district attorneys prosecuting fellow officers instead of the criminal is orders of magnitude more likely to stop LEOs from running toward danger. 1. Harsher penalties won't stop a district attorney from pleading down to lesser crimes. They do it due to case load and political pressure and/or philosophy. 2. Voters need to do a better job of researching District Attorneys before they enter the voting booth. All over the country voters fell for the dubious low level crime reform district attorney candidate, and it turns out that "reform" was up to and including premeditated murder. Ego is the anesthesia that deadens the pain of stupidity DISCLAIMER: These are the author's own personal views and do not represent the views of the author's employer. | |||
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Oriental Redneck![]() |
You're in agreement with him. Not sure why you say no. ![]() Q | |||
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We hold all manner of occupational professionals to a higher standard. Does that mean that we should hold crimes against them to a higher standard too? Take commercial truck drivers for example. Should a road rager who rages against a CDL holder face a more harsh punishment than one who rages against a regularly licensed person? And what if they road rage against an unlicensed driver? Should we let them completely off the hook? | |||
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In my eyes, police officers are entrusted by the public to enforce laws and catch criminals. With that said, it's one thing to break the law. It is something totally different to evade, assault, or murder those entrusted by the public to enforce those laws. Law Enforcement Officers represent the people, they are the line of defense between rampant crime and civility. Saying they are just another human is mildly insulting at best in my eyes. Murdering a police officer is no different than killing the prosecutor to avoid charges or a judge to avoid a conviction. I see it as attacking the system to avoid consequences. If people think they can get away with assaulting or murdering police then their ability to enforce law is diminished. No different than criminals learning that if they exceed 80mph or drive into oncoming traffic pursuits must be terminated, two easy ways to evade capture and continue criminal activity. I recall a time when people didn't even think about messing with the police because they knew it would end very badly for them. Let's be honest and practical, that is the only way some people learn. Pronoun: His Royal Highness and benevolent Majesty of all he surveys 343 - Never Forget Its better to be Pavlov's dog than Schrodinger's cat There are three types of mistakes; Those you learn from, those you suffer from, and those you don't survive. | |||
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No. We're all either equal under the law, or not. Light bender eye mender ___________________________________________________________ Texas has yet to learn submission to any oppression, come from what source it may. Sam Houston | |||
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I'm torn on this. Yes killing a cop is awful but so is killing in other crimes. I think we should stop getting soft on violent crime period. If you violently kill someone for no real reason just go away, jail/death row whatever. Killing a cop or someone's grandmother shouldn't matter. That person should just be gone. _____________________________________ Because in the end, you won’t remember the time you spent working in the office or mowing your lawn. Climb that goddamn mountain. Jack Kerouac | |||
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As a retired cop my initial response would have been a strong YES. But, having watched the past 60 years of dividing up our nation by groups for special rights and treatments, I have to chime in for equal justice in every case. Yes, I understand that I am whistling in the dark with no hope of ever achieving the goal. Retired holster maker. Retired police chief. Formerly Sergeant, US Army Airborne Infantry, Pathfinders | |||
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Yes for cop killers as well as any other 1st responders (fire/ems/ emt/ etc..) especially if they are in the actual lawful performance of their official duties of saving lives and are engaged in legal actions............. But before this happens the punishment for anyone else needs to be better enforced... Do the crime then do every single day of the sentence without any time off for good behavior.......If the bad guy can be back out on the street before the ink on the arrest report can dry what is the deterant to not commit crimes. ....................................... drill sgt. | |||
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kill them like they killed the cop. fucking coward offed himself yesterday after killing a young cop on friday for just doing his job. Not minority enough! | |||
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Those that kill kids or elderly should suffer a more painful death than anyone. Cops aren't any more special than anyone else. Not sure why this is even a question. 10 years to retirement! Just waiting! | |||
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Retired LEO here, and my answer is "no." Murder is murder regardless of what the victim does for a living. -------------------------------------- | |||
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Oriental Redneck![]() |
I'll go further by saying, chill molesters/rapists deserve swift death. That has always been my sentiment. Q | |||
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The Main Thing Is Not To Get Excited ![]() |
I agree with you and the majority if the cop is minding his own business on his own time and is murdered it's a tragedy for the family. If the cop is on watch and is murdered protecting me, mine, yours, civilization than the price goes up. "Thuglife" magazine ought to have to run op-eds to protest how the thug was just doing his job too and it's not fair. Make sure everybody knows. Shout it loud and clear. Everybody on this forum seems to understand that when a cop puts on his symbols of authority, badge, gun, blue, gray, green, tan uniform or if he's in plain clothes and on duty he just flipped the switch and became a target. A cop on duty is standing not just for me and mine, you and yours but for civilization as well as the cop next on the roll-call to suit up. The victim cop is not getting special preference here, the shit-bag that shot him is, just not in the way he'd like. _______________________ | |||
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assuredly yes, and all first responders as well. I am retired LEO as well. | |||
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I think some are confusing our differing levels of respect for the victim with their worth as humans. Being on duty or off is of no consequence. Being on duty and working the job means I have respect for the cop, because of the inherent danger. That respect doesn't go away when they are off. But a cop on duty is worth no more as a life than a young lady who is unemployed. There is no difference based off profession or activity while being killed. All life is worth the same (with the obvious exceptions) so if harsher punishment is given to someone who kills a cop, you are by default devaluing the life of non-cops. What about a school teacher? A doctor performing surgery? A farmer? I'm not sure I understand this on-duty logic. 10 years to retirement! Just waiting! | |||
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A Grateful American![]() |
^^^ And why I argue that "additional" charges can/should be levied. This sets the "baseline" that all people are equal as "victims" and equal charges should be levied. But, additional charges for "1st responders, Fire Department, LEO, Doctors, lawyers, Indian Chiefs, teachers, etc." should be added as applicable. So, no one is considered "worth more, or less", for a crime committed, only that "more charges" added considering the offense to office or position is also egregious, and needs additional consideration as it pertains to the person that commits the offence and the need to punish such behaviors. "the meaning of life, is to give life meaning" ✡ Ani Yehudi אני יהודי Le'olam lo shuv לעולם לא שוב! | |||
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