Anyone else seeing the ads for the this? We're being inundated with them. It is a non-lethal self defense alternative that utilizes a CO2 propelled .68 cal kinetic/chemical irritant projectile. I think that you would have to be pretty gullible to believe that it can "Incapacitate" a threat at up to 60ft. per the ads.

Hannity has been doing live reads for them forever now. (He mispronounces it “Burner”.)

But yeah, I agree with you.

-Rob

A tad bulky for carry purposes. And they make a long gun version too.

I saw a video on youtube of a couple guys shooting each other and I was not impressed.

I would suggest watching further vids on youtube for "Burna Launcher".

However, my brother's oldest son doesn't want a firearm at his apartment so this might be the only option for Dad to buy something for my nephew to protect himself and his girlfriend.

And as YooperSig mentioned the long gun option, it may have better results for my nephew in a home situation. Hopefully higher vilocity.

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A tad bulky for carry purposes.

Agreed. Especially in the height and thickness. One might be able, barely, to conceal it on one's person, but not the device and a handgun.

I would imagine if somebody pointed one of them at anybody in this forum who was armed, they would assume it was a gun being aimed at them and would return deadly fire. This product seems like a guaranteed way to get you killed.

I haven’t owned any CO2 powered items in many years so I can’t speak to the quality of current valves and seals, but the CO2 pistols I had as a kid couldn’t be counted on to not slowly leak most of the contents of the CO2 cartridge once it was pierced.

I would be reluctant to trust a CO2 weapon for self defense use.

After watching police videos of people getting whacked over and over again with pepper balls and not really caring, I don't think I'd put much trust in it.

Better than NOTHING, I guess.

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Originally posted by arfmel:
I haven’t owned any CO2 powered items in many years so I can’t speak to the quality of current valves and seals, but the CO2 pistols I had as a kid couldn’t be counted on to not slowly leak most of the contents of the CO2 cartridge once it was pierced.

I would be reluctant to trust a CO2 weapon for self defense use.

I think the Byrna pistols pierce the cartridge on the first shot.

Even if it worked perfectly, you're leaving a living witness to tell the cops his side of the story and then to sue you. No thanks.

Wouldn’t this non-lethal means still be considered an escalation of force? Sounds like a can of legal worms I wouldn’t want to pop open…

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Originally posted by Rick Lee:
Even if it worked perfectly, you're leaving a living witness to tell the cops his side of the story and then to sue you. No thanks.

Exactly!

Or getting charged with an actual gun crime, using a non-gun SD device.

Also doesn't sound effective enough. If I was a perp I might stop my attack with a gun turned on me, but something like that, where I know for a fact I couldn't be killed., that doesn't sound like a good incentive to abandon an attack. Like when rioters pick up tear gas grenades and throw them back at the Police. If the police were using an AR Rifle with real ammo, most rioters would run away.

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Originally posted by arfmel:
I haven’t owned any CO2 powered items in many years so I can’t speak to the quality of current valves and seals, but the CO2 pistols I had as a kid couldn’t be counted on to not slowly leak most of the contents of the CO2 cartridge once it was pierced.

I would be reluctant to trust a CO2 weapon for self defense use.

I think the Byrna pistols pierce the cartridge on the first shot.

You’re correct. We tested one and I was surprised. It was very accurate and hit hard. If you have a need for such a thing it’s pretty good. I just don’t see a need for this.

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Originally posted by downtownv:
I would imagine if somebody pointed one of them at anybody in this forum who was armed, they would assume it was a gun being aimed at them and would return deadly fire. This product seems like a guaranteed way to get you killed.

Agreed. I saw one of these at Sportsmans Warehouse today. It would be nearly impossible to distinguish one of these from the real thing. They should make the barrel orange like a toy gun.

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Originally posted by pbslinger:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by arfmel:
I would be reluctant to trust a CO2 weapon for self defense use.

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I think the Byrna pistols pierce the cartridge on the first shot.

You’re correct. We tested one and I was surprised. It was very accurate and hit hard. If you have a need for such a thing it’s pretty good. I just don’t see a need for this.

I didn’t know about the “pierced one the first shot” thing. My experience with CO2 cartridges were just like arfmel’s, totally unreliable.
I don’t see a need for them either.
One, folks shrug off the effects of pepperballs on a near regular basis. Like many less than lethal tactics, they have their limitations.
Two, anyone seeing this getting deployed is going to assume a handgun is in play and will report or respond that is the case. The time to explain that “it’s less than lethal” while absorbing JHPs would not end well.

I don't know what the legalities are on when and how to use these, but I think it'd be kinda fun to light someone up with a full auto SBR version. Porch pirate caught in the act? Here's a 100 pepper balls to the chest and groin area to spice up your day

You’re better off moving out of a state that does not let you carry a handgun than to use that.

Autumn and her Dad demonstrate the Byrna SD. Doesn't look pleasant to be on the receiving end, especially the pepper ball round.

But to me it just seems like a good way to get yourself shot by a real gun.

This is from the "good idea fairy". The problem I can see is the user 'knows' it's not a gun and doesn't handle it as such. Police responding don't. If you point a gun at a police officer you will get shot. A police officer can't analyze what gun it is, what your motives are - they're trained that if a gun is pointed at them in the firing position they react. Period.