I have actually heard people on TV suggest that Hillary will be sprung as the Candidate after the DNC convention is "hung" and can't agree on one of the current kooks. I, myself, suggested earlier that a substitute Candidate would be brought in after a hung convention, but did not think it would be Hillary. I do think it would be a mistake. Hillary actually thinks she was elected--she has said she could beat Trump "again"!

flashguy

There is very little that I agree with Ms Gabbard on but she is the only Dem candidate that you could sit down and converse with.+

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Originally posted by flashguy:
I have actually heard people on TV suggest that Hillary will be sprung as the Candidate after the DNC convention is "hung" and can't agree on one of the current kooks. I, myself, suggested earlier that a substitute Candidate would be brought in after a hung convention, but did not think it would be Hillary. I do think it would be a mistake. Hillary actually thinks she was elected--she has said she could beat Trump "again"!

flashguy

Hillary might have delusions of pulling a move like this, but I really doubt the Democrats want anything to do with her right now. She's toxic and an already two-time LOSER.

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Originally posted by PASig:

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Originally posted by flashguy:
I have actually heard people on TV suggest that Hillary will be sprung as the Candidate after the DNC convention is "hung" and can't agree on one of the current kooks. I, myself, suggested earlier that a substitute Candidate would be brought in after a hung convention, but did not think it would be Hillary. I do think it would be a mistake. Hillary actually thinks she was elected--she has said she could beat Trump "again"!

flashguy

Hillary might have delusions of pulling a move like this, but I really doubt the Democrats want anything to do with her right now. She's toxic and an already two-time LOSER.

I agree with you, if the dems are at all rational. But that's a BIG if.

Let's make a deal, guys- You wait until ol' Hil jumps into the race, and then you can talk about her running for POTUS all you like, but until she announces, just stow this stuff. Stop acting like she's the boogeyman and stop speculating, because that's all you're doing- speculating.

How does that sound?

I've had it with this stuff, and that goes for all the crap about Michele Obama, too. Just cut it out.

double post from previous page

NYT just stealth edited the original story about Hillary Clinton to claim that she didn't say the Russians were grooming Tulsi But that Republicans were

There is no correction, no notice, this was done quietly

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this thread moves fast. didn't want that info to get buried

With Hilary's ties to the Russians she should know.

Yesterday, Steven Crowder very easily and quickly proved how Youtube [aka. Google] is sabotaging Tulsi Gabbard with its search results. Gabbard’s channel appeared in the first Youtube results when accessing the website with a Spanish IP. But when Crowder switched to a USA IP address, Tulsi’s channel no longer came up in the results. Crowder’s team made the discovery by carefully monitoring the popular website, after their channel got demonetized back in June.

Crowder also dedicated an entire video on the subject of Google meddling in the US election by targeting Gabbard specifically. He’s not a fan of her political views, however, he supports free speech across the board.

https://www.zerohedge.com/poli...s-youtube-suppressed

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Originally posted by sdy:
double post from previous page

NYT just stealth edited the original story about Hillary Clinton to claim that she didn't say the Russians were grooming Tulsi But that Republicans were

There is no correction, no notice, this was done quietly

xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

this thread moves fast. didn't want that info to get buried

Will you post a link, please.

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Originally posted by craigcpa:

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Originally posted by sdy:
double post from previous page

NYT just stealth edited the original story about Hillary Clinton to claim that she didn't say the Russians were grooming Tulsi But that Republicans were

There is no correction, no notice, this was done quietly

xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

this thread moves fast. didn't want that info to get buried

Will you post a link, please.

https://www.zerohedge.com/poli...XKVJZyboy22pMnFQPLAQ

The New York Times stealth edited a story to hide Hillary Clinton’s claim that Tulsi Gabbard was being groomed by Russia, instead making it appear as though Clinton had said Republicans were grooming Gabbard.

The only flaw in the alteration to the facts is Clinton’s voice making the claims. Also, I don’t see Gabbard sitting idly by and letting the old hag get away with it.

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Originally posted by WCCPHD:
With Hilary's ties to the Russians she should know.

Hillary's a real Russian asshat.



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Will you post a link, please.

I included a source link in the original post.

wcb6092 posted a second link

Here is a third:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/ne...ns-grooming-her.html

Hillary Clinton DIDN'T call Tulsi Gabbard a Russian spy: Podcast audio shows she was talking about Republicans 'grooming' her in hopes she'll split Democratic vote as a third-party candidate

A week after a torrent of press reports that Hillary Clinton had branded presidential candidate Tulsi Gabbard a Russian spy – and angry comebacks from the Gabbard campaign – a closer listening to the podcast that launched the fight reveals the former secretary of state never said it.

The interview, with former Barack Obama campaign manager David Plouffe for his 'Campaign HQ' podcast, revealed Clinton's fear that Republicans will try to divide Democrats in 2020 by fostering third-party campaigns that could siphon off liberal votes.

'I'm not making any predictions,' Clinton said, 'but I think they've got their eye on somebody who's currently in the Democratic primary and are grooming her to be the third party candidate. She's a favorite of the Russians. They have a bunch of sites and bots and other ways of supporting her so far.'

Plouffe had prompted her by predicting that President Donald Trump's campaign will 'try and drive people' to decide they 'can't vote for them' – the Democrats. 'That seems to be, I think, to the extent that I can divine a strategy. Their key strategy right now.'

Clinton replied that the GOP would embrace a two-part plan: trashing the eventual Democratic nominee, and 'they're also going to do third party [promotion].'

The New York Times initially reported that Clinton had claimed Russia was 'grooming' Gabbard, and the Hawaii congresswoman responded with a biting retort on Twitter.

The Times quietly changed its hard-charging article on Tuesday to read that while Clinton had argued 'Russia was backing' Gabbard, she said 'Republicans were "grooming" her as a third-party candidate.'

The media avalanche that followed the Times' reporting has been left largely intact.

A White House aide said Wednedsay that 'the whole thing is just more fake news.'

Gabbard, an active duty Army National Guard officer as well as a lawmaker, has said she has no interest in running for president as a third-party candidate.

at the link there is Clinton saying it

the ultimate source is the actual audio of the podcast

BTW, I completely understand asking for a link on this. It seems crazy that so much was triggered by a misquote, and then it was kept quiet.

Of course it is a nasty attack against Gabbard even by saying she would be groomed as 3rd party by the REPs.

The entire hour long podcast w Clinton is full of lies and misdirection.

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Originally posted by sdy:
.... She's a favorite of the Russians. They have a bunch of sites and bots and other ways of supporting her so far...

To-MAY-toe To-MAH-toe



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So like the Ukraine transcripts, we can ignore the evidence (Hilary's actual words) and make up whatever we want?

Screenshot of the Babylon Bee's FB "article" on the topic:


For those of you who have been living under a rock, The Babylon Bee is a satire site.

The NYT bullshit rewrite explanation doesn't hold water when you look at the next sentence:
"That's assuming Jill Stein will give it up, which she might not because she is also a Russian asset."

Clearly the meaning is that Stein, just like Gabbard, is also a Russian asset.

Every sumbitch on the planet is a Russian asset. That's just the way it is.

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Originally posted by nhracecraft:
Tulsi Gabbard's stinging response via Twitter to the 'Queen of the Warmongers'...

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Tulsi Gabbard
@TulsiGabbard
4:20 PM - Oct. 18, 2019

"Great! Thank you @HillaryClinton. You, the queen of warmongers, embodiment of corruption, and personification of the rot that has sickened the Democratic Party for so long, have finally come out from behind the curtain. From the day I announced my candidacy, there has been a concerted campaign to destroy my reputation. We wondered who was behind it and why. Now we know — it was always you, through your proxies and powerful allies in the corporate media and war machine, afraid of the threat I pose.

It’s now clear that this primary is between you and me. Don’t cowardly hide behind your proxies. Join the race directly."

Sooo, Game On!

A lot of people have made a lot of money as "interventionists". As supporters of the military industrial complex, "MIC" for short, they get big contributions from defense contractors and private sector job opportunities when they leave government.

Tulsi Gabbard and Donald Trump may differ on many things... but they are both saying "enough with the senseless military intervention everywhere, all the time.

Are we a limited government Republic, or do we want to be an Empire?

Empire & Interventionism Versus Republic & Noninterventionism

Authored by Jacob Hornberger via The Future of Freedom Foundation,

The chaos arising from U.S. interventionism in Syria provides an excellent opportunity to explore the interventionist mind.

Consider the terminology being employed by interventionists: President Trump’s actions in Syria have left a “power vacuum,” one that Russia and Iran are now filling. The United States will no longer have “influence” in the region. “Allies” will no longer be able to trust the U.S. to come to their assistance. Trump’s actions have threatened “national security.” It is now possible that ISIS will reformulate and threaten to take over lands and even regimes in the Middle East.

This verbiage is classic empire-speak. It is the language of the interventionist and the imperialist.

Amidst all the interventionist chaos in the Middle East, it is important to keep in mind one critically important fact: None of it will mean a violent takeover of the U.S. government or an invasion and conquest of the United States. The federal government will go on. American life will go on. There will be no army of Muslims, terrorists, Syrians, ISISians, Russians, Chinese, drug dealers, or illegal immigrants coming to get us and take over the reins of the IRS.

Why is that an important point? Because it shows that no matter what happens in Syria or the rest of the Middle East, life will continue here in the United States. Even if Russia gets to continue controlling Syria, that’s not going to result in a conquest of the United States. The same holds true if ISIS, say, takes over Iraq. Or if Turkey ends up killing lots of Kurds. Or if Syria ends up protecting the Kurds. Or if Iran continues to be controlled by a theocratic state. Or if the Russians retake control over Ukraine.

It was no different than when North Vietnam ended up winning the Vietnamese civil war. The dominoes did not fall onto the United States and make America Red. It also makes no difference if Egypt continues to be controlled by a brutal military dictatorship. Or that Cuba, North Korea, and China are controlled by communist regimes. Or that Russia is controlled by an authoritarian regime. Or that Myanmar (Burma) is controlled by a totalitarian military regime. America and the federal government will continue standing.

America was founded as a limited government republic, one that did not send its military forces around the world to slay monsters. That’s not to say that bad things didn’t happen around the world. Bad things have always happened around the world. Dictatorships. Famines. Wars. Civil wars. Revolutions. Empires. Torture. Extra-judicial executions. Tyranny. Oppression. The policy of the United States was that it would not go abroad to fix or clear up those types of things.

All that changed with the conversion of the federal government to a national-security state and with the adoption of a pro-empire, pro-intervention foreign policy. When that happened, the U.S. government assumed the duty to fix the wrongs of the world.

That’s when U.S. officials began thinking in terms of empire and using empire-speak. Foreign regimes became “allies,” “partners,” and “friends.” Others became “opponents,” “rivals,” or “enemies.” Events thousands of miles away became threats to “national security.”

That’s when U.S. forces began invading and occupying other countries, waging wars of aggression against them, intervening in foreign wars, revolutions, and civil wars, initiating coups, destroying democratic regimes, establishing an empire of domestic and foreign military bases, and bombing, shooting, killing, assassinating, spying on, maiming, torturing, kidnapping, injuring, and destroying people in countries all over the world.

The results of U.S. imperialism and interventionism have always been perverse, not only for foreigners but also for Americans. That’s how Americans have ended up with out-of-control federal spending and debt that have left much of the middle class high and dry, unable to support themselves in their senior years, unable to save a nest egg for financial emergencies, and living paycheck to paycheck. Empire and interventionism do not come cheap.

The shift toward empire and interventionism has brought about the destruction of American liberty and privacy here at home. That’s what the assassinations, secret surveillance, torture, and indefinite detentions of American citizens are all about — to supposedly protect us from the dangers produced by U.S. imperialism and interventionism abroad. One might call it waging perpetual war for freedom and peace, both here and abroad.

There is but one solution to all this chaos and mayhem — the dismantling, not the reform, of the Pentagon, the military-industrial complex, the vast empire of foreign and domestic military bases, and the NSA, along with an immediate end to all foreign interventionism. A free, peaceful, prosperous, and harmonious society necessarily entails the restoration of a limited-government republic and a non-interventionist foreign policy to our land.

https://www.zerohedge.com/geop...c-noninterventionism