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Is that idiot Biden gonna get us in a war with Russia or China?

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March 05, 2022, 04:54 PM
parabellum
Is that idiot Biden gonna get us in a war with Russia or China?
Where's the evidence? At this point, I question any acccusations made by any nation or entity, with regard to this stupid-ass conflict.

Let's see the evidence. Until then, Europe, Russia, the United States government, all news agencies, and everyone else with a stake in this idiocy, can just blow it out their ass.


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March 05, 2022, 05:49 PM
bigdeal
quote:
Originally posted by parabellum:
Where's the evidence? At this point, I question any acccusations made by any nation or entity, with regard to this stupid-ass conflict.

Let's see the evidence. Until then, Europe, Russia, the United States government, all news agencies, and everyone else with a stake in this idiocy, can just blow it out their ass.
I have far less fear about the actual military activity, and far more about the media and government's lying and constant passing of phony info about what's going on. They're doing the Covid propaganda thing again with the American public, and a big part of that public is buying into it. I'd suggest a large part of this country are brain dead sheep, but that would really be disrespectful to brain dead sheep.


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March 05, 2022, 06:09 PM
Il Cattivo
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Originally posted by oldbill123:
I'll bet no one is thinking our actions will have consequences

If that were true then we would've seen a lot more action taken by now. No, whether one agrees with the conclusions drawn or not, the actions taken give every evidence of having been considered beforehand.
March 05, 2022, 06:25 PM
sgalczyn
Ok Fox.....we get it....War in Ukraine = BAD. But 32 headlines on it and by-lines? The US has things going on too......


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March 05, 2022, 06:29 PM
recoatlift
Thank Dear God Fauci is on the back burner. I tired of that coverage also.
March 05, 2022, 07:16 PM
Lefty Sig
quote:
Originally posted by recoatlift:
Thank Dear God Fauci is on the back burner. I tired of that coverage also.


As soon as Biden was told by his handlers to declare "victory" over COVID and Nancy Pelosi dropped the House mask mandate a day or two before the SOTU, Fauci has been off the radar.

Of course, this was only due to polling that people were completely fed up with all of it and it was seriously destroying any chance of keeping both houses of Congress from going Republican this fall.

Just further proof that it was all for show. And by dropping all the mandates, the U.S. Freedom Convoy doesn't have much to protest in D.C.

Now, investigators need to get to the bottom of Fauci's willful funding of the Wuhan lab in direct circumvention of U.S. law, and the coverup he engineered by arm twisting researchers who suspected a lab leak into publicly promoting the natural origin lie. This asshole is responsible for a lot of dead people in the world, and he deserves to pay with the rest of his life in prison.
March 05, 2022, 07:28 PM
recoatlift
Agreed! My gosh there’s investigation upon investigations enough to last a lifetime. Nothing ever gets done.
March 05, 2022, 08:16 PM
sdy
a long article w several videos showing the people of Kherson aren't taking "occupation" very well


https://hotair.com/allahpundit...g-in-kherson-n453222
March 05, 2022, 08:44 PM
sigmonkey
quote:
Originally posted by sdy:...the people of Kherson aren't taking "occupation" very well...


Ironic, that people invaded by a superior force that used many deadly weapons over all of their country, still manage to stand free and speak loudly. While a majority of Americans, willingly allowed themselves to be held under house arrest, feared being in public, careful of speaking out against any of it, and espousing the propaganda of it all.

“It’s a great huge game of chess that’s being played—all over the world—if this is the world at all, you know.”

Go ask Alice...




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March 05, 2022, 08:46 PM
adobesig
That is amazing.

quote:
Originally posted by sdy:
a long article w several videos showing the people of Kherson aren't taking "occupation" very well


https://hotair.com/allahpundit...g-in-kherson-n453222

March 05, 2022, 08:53 PM
sgalczyn
Noble gesture...........as we at home go without:

Russia-Ukraine war: Arizona ammo company to send 1 million bullets to Ukraine

An ammunition company in Scottsdale, Arizona, has pledged to send one million bullets to the Ukraine Armed Forces as Russian President Vladimir Putin continues his deadly invasion into the country.

AMMO, Inc., which produces high-performance ammunition and components, will send 1 million bullets free of charge to Ukraine after Volodymyr Zelenskyy, the nation's president, issued a recent plea for additional aid.

"We recognize that events are unfolding rapidly on the ground in Ukraine, and we are prepared to move quickly as possible to support Ukraine as it continues to defend itself and its freedom," Wagenhals added.

One bullet produced by the company, according to Fox 10 in Phoenix, is a 7.62 and is "exactly what Ukrainian soldiers need to fight" back against Russian military forces making their way into the country.

https://www.foxbusiness.com/ec...n-bullets-to-ukraine


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March 05, 2022, 09:04 PM
Modern Day Savage
Russian citizens fleeing into Finland. Apparently over deteriorating conditions and rumors that President Putin plans to impose martial law.



https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_pHglSTvgbI
March 05, 2022, 09:31 PM
maladat
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Originally posted by Modern Day Savage:
Russian citizens fleeing into Finland. Apparently over deteriorating conditions and rumors that President Putin plans to impose martial law.



https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_pHglSTvgbI


Cue Putin threatening to invade Finland to rescue “abducted” Russian citizens from “Nazi genocide” in 3… 2…
March 05, 2022, 10:02 PM
ensigmatic
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Originally posted by maladat:
Cue Putin threatening to invade Finland to rescue “abducted” Russian citizens from “Nazi genocide” in 3… 2…
Yup. If Finland has any sense they'll refuse them entry.

Moldova has an area, Transnistria, all along it's eastern border with Ukraine, dominated by ethnic Russians and occupied by Russian troops. Like Ukraine's Donbass region: Demanding independent republic status.

Unlike Ukraine: Moldova is more ethnically similar to Romania then it is Russia. In fact: Moldova was once part of Romania.



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March 05, 2022, 10:02 PM
Modern Day Savage
quote:
Originally posted by sdy:
a long article w several videos showing the people of Kherson aren't taking "occupation" very well


https://hotair.com/allahpundit...g-in-kherson-n453222


Some of the actions in those videos are inspiring, and yet the last one with the unarmed civilian protester being shot, eventually followed by increasing volumes of fire without the surrounding protesters hitting the ground or running for cover is a bit head-scratching... it demonstrates both bravery and foolishness. I'm all for peaceful protests, but when the occupiers start shooting unarmed civilians it's time to seek cover, fall back to arm yourselves, and return effective fire from cover.

As a separate question of mine, watching the videos of those brave protesters, I can't help but wonder just how much coverage of the war is being allowed into China.
March 05, 2022, 10:30 PM
corsair
quote:
Originally posted by sdy:
a long article w several videos showing the people of Kherson aren't taking "occupation" very well


https://hotair.com/allahpundit...g-in-kherson-n453222

Very interesting....what's stands out, is not what's seen on the videos but, the fact that those cities in the Eastern part of the country, Kharkiv, Kherson, and Melitpol, and Mariupol, all have significant Russian populations. People that resettled there, moved for work, have family ties back to the country...yet, those city streets are alive with people pushing back against this armed force. There's no flowers and candies getting thrown at the Russian army.
March 06, 2022, 05:24 AM
BansheeOne
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Originally posted by Modern Day Savage:
Russian citizens fleeing into Finland. Apparently over deteriorating conditions and rumors that President Putin plans to impose martial law.



https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_pHglSTvgbI



Over here it's deja vu all over again. The refugee movement from Ukraine to the EU is already bigger after ten days than it was from the Middle East in 2015/16, helped by geographical proximity and the fact that Ukrainians can travel into the Schengen Area visa-free for 90 days out of every half-year. Expectation is for a total of four million, about ten percent of Ukraine's population and three times the number in the previous crisis.

Germany expects an eventual 225,000, about a quarter of 2015/16 since this time a lot of the stream is going to the immediate Eastern European neighbor countries and staying there. It's much more concentrated though; Berlin is already struggling with 10,000 arriving per day since this weekend, either intending to stay or travel on to elsewhere. In the last crisis, the high point for the city was a tenth of that.

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A Welcome Steeped in History: Ukrainian Refugees Arrive in Germany

Berlin has become a major hub for refugees from Ukraine, welcoming them with an outpouring of help. The response stirs memories of both bright and dark chapters of German history.

By Katrin Bennhold

March 5, 2022

BERLIN — After an anxious eight-day journey fleeing a war that has since swallowed his hometown in eastern Ukraine, the welcome as he stepped off a train at Berlin Central Station felt faintly surreal to 15-year-old Dima Chornii.

The yellow-vested volunteers with name and language tags handing out steaming cups of tea. The uniformed station employees issuing free tickets for onward travel. The piles of clothes and shoes, neatly stacked by gender and age. The beaming Berliners who had turned up with hand-drawn signs offering rooms and beds to exhausted refugees.

And then there was the elderly German lady who walked up to Dima, pressed a 100 euro bill (about $109) into his hand, tears streaming down her cheek, and said, “Welcome.”

“She made it real,” said Dima, who was standing by Platform 3, his hands on two large suitcases, his eyes on his 7-year-old sister as they waited for their parents to return with tickets. “We were finally safe.”

The images of Ukrainian refugee families being welcomed with an outpouring of help from ordinary Germans shares echoes of the early days of the 2015-2016 migrant crisis, when hundreds of thousands of refugees from wars in Syria and Afghanistan found safe haven in Germany. There was some backlash within Germany, but it subsided, the country gave asylum to far more people than its neighbors — more than one million — and the resettlement is now widely regarded as a success. It was a moment of redemption for the country that had committed the Holocaust.

But if the images are familiar, they are enhanced not just by the geographic proximity of the present war but by the memory of Germany’s Nazi past, when it brutalized both Russia and Ukraine.

That history was present in conversations at the train station on Friday. In 1945, Dima’s great-grandfather made the same trip west — as a soldier in the Soviet Red Army. He died fighting to take Berlin from the Nazis less than a week before the end of World War II.

“It’s an irony of history,” Dima said. History was one of his favorite subjects in school. “But,” he added, “the Germans are a changed people.”

Over one million Ukrainian refugees have fled Russian rockets and tanks in recent days and many have chosen to stay in neighboring Poland, close to the homes they hope to return to one day and to the fathers and sons they had to leave behind.

But for those continuing their journey west, Germany is next. Just over a week into the war, Berlin has become a major hub for refugees from Ukraine, some traveling on, others eager to settle here. The numbers have surged in recent days. On Monday, the city administration reported finding beds for some 350 refugees. On Friday, more than 10,000 arrived in the German capital by train and bus, and city authorities are bracing for more.

Several buses carrying 120 Jewish children from Odessa, many of them orphaned, were among those arriving on Friday in Berlin, where they were welcomed by the Jewish organization Chabad Berlin and put up in a hotel. The youngest was only born in January.

“We have to be prepared that this is the biggest movement of people Europe faces since the end of World War II,” said Katja Kipping, minister of social affairs in Berlin’s regional administration. “We’ve only seen the tip of the iceberg.”

The mobilization of volunteers and donations has been swift and remarkable. Across Germany, volunteers have set up websites and special channels on social media to streamline the help in areas from transport to translation. The number of Berliners offering to help has been so great that volunteers are being turned away.

In the earlier crisis, Germany stood apart from most of its neighbors in opening its doors to refugees, a stance that was used by the far right to create a powerful backlash and political headache for the chancellor at the time, Angela Merkel. But in welcoming the wave of Ukrainians — fellow Europeans and mostly Christian, unlike the Syrians — Germany now has plenty of company, with Poland and Hungary, usually vehemently anti-immigrant, among those taking the lead.

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Only eight days had passed since the invasion, but it felt like a lifetime ago, Dima said.

A phone call woke them in the early hours of Feb. 24. His older brother called from the United States and told them: “You are at war.” His father turned on the television and watched Russian tanks roll into Ukraine less than 600 kilometers away.

That same night they packed up and left. His hometown, Kherson, has since fallen to the Russians.

They pulled into Berlin on the birthday of his mother, Tanya. She turned 35.

At lunchtime on Friday, Dima and his family left Berlin on a train to Erfurt, a city in central Germany, where they have Ukrainian friends who settled here three decades ago after the fall of Communism. They expect to be in Germany for at least a year. Eventually, they hope to emigrate to the United States, where his aunt lives.

Before the train pulled into the station, Dima’s father, Andreij, pulled out his cellphone to show pictures from Kherson: the family in a restaurant, at a concert in a bar. A snapshot from Valentine’s Day less than a month ago, when he and Tanya were having champagne on a Black Sea beach.

“This was normal life in Ukraine,” Andreij said. Then he shared one final image, of his wife on the day they left, black smoke billowing up behind her.

“Our home is gone,” he said. “Now the Europeans and Americans need to stop Putin so he stops at Ukraine.”


https://www.nytimes.com/2022/0...efugees-germany.html
March 06, 2022, 07:33 AM
Gustofer
The difference is though, Banshee, the Ukrainians will happily go back home once this settles down.

The muslims on the other hand, well....


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March 06, 2022, 08:12 AM
BansheeOne
As in all cases, some will, some won't. We've been through this multiple times in successive escalation by now. Before the Syrians, there were the refugees from the Balkan wars in the 90s (about 400,000, most returned), the East Germans in 1989 (200,000, simply Germans now of course), the Kurds, Lebanese and Vietnamese boat people in the 70s/80s (about 30,000 each, most still here) ... seems we're getting this about once per decade when someone starts a (civil) war or military coup on the European periphery, or as far away as Southeast Asia.
March 06, 2022, 08:28 AM
HayesGreener
The true risk of widespread war is that, with so much military mobilized and making war preparations, some leadership somewhere will miscalculate, or misinterpret others and spark hostilities. Looking back on history, so many conflicts have begun based upon false assumptions, understandings, or intelligence, and once the shooting starts conflict takes on a life of its own. It is so easy to slide down that slope with all that military power at hand. If the shooting starts between Russia and one of the NATO countries, will that provide the spark, or just be an "incident"? The key to avoiding a major conflagration is who is doing the calculating. Look to the leaders of the various countries concerned and ask, who is doing the calculating? Hopefully, cooler heads will prevail.


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