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A Grateful American |
Who's gonna serve the warrant Putin and/or take him into custody? "the meaning of life, is to give life meaning" ✡ Ani Yehudi אני יהודי Le'olam lo shuv לעולם לא שוב! | |||
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It would be great if Poland invades Belarus and that little piece of land to the north of Poland. Putin would have a fit. Let all Men know thee, but no man know thee thoroughly: Men freely ford that see the shallows. Benjamin Franklin | |||
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| Just because you can, doesn't mean you should |
The same type of people that may have added warfarin to Stalin's food or at least delayed treatment for a stroke, depending on who's story you believe. Those closest to him. His closest "friends", the ones that were enjoying the party and all those ill gotten gains that are now frozen and put at serious risk due to his egomania. They have a serious problem right now, but add the threat of ending up like Saddam and that could make them see the urgency in ending this recent unpleasantness quickly. The rats will be jumping off the sinking ship and happy to have a chance to move up the food chain as a potential bonus. They may realize soon that what's good for Vladimir isn't all that good for them. ___________________________ Avoid buying ChiCom/CCP products whenever possible. | |||
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Can we relax for a moment and get back to reality. The goal should be to make all of this stop right where it is asap. Let's not hope for any more escalation given the terrible things that could come out of that. ----------------------------- Guns are awesome because they shoot solid lead freedom. Every man should have several guns. And several dogs, because a man with a cat is a woman. Kurt Schlichter | |||
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| Lawyers, Guns and Money  |
Yeah... but... making "all of this stop right where it is asap" sounds an awful lot like what the Austrians thought when Hitler moved in. I don't think you mean Ukraine should surrender. A policy of appeasement never works with someone like Putin. "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." -- Justice Janice Rogers Brown "The United States government is the largest criminal enterprise on earth." -rduckwor | |||
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Who financed and supported Zelensky's rise to power in Ukraine? Was Russia involved initially as an ally (relationship turned sour) or did the $ come from somewhere else? Regarding Belarus - the last time I checked Russia has quite a bit of hardware there on standby. I would much rather face conventional Russian forces as a defender vs. as an aggressor. Not sure that would end well for Poland.This message has been edited. Last edited by: Graniteguy, | |||
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| A Grateful American |
Do you think for a moment, that those in such positions ever see any foreign forces bringing Russia to its knees and anything like Nuremburg ever happening to them? They got them nukes up in there, it is never going to be a "defeat" of Russia to facilitate dealing with war crimes and folks swinging from gallows. While I agree that what you say about Putin being deposed by "his own" or someone taking him out in clandestine manner, it is not the same as "war crimes trials", and what my response was speaking to.  "the meaning of life, is to give life meaning" ✡ Ani Yehudi אני יהודי Le'olam lo shuv לעולם לא שוב! | |||
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His Royal Hiney |
So what the fuck was getting Ukraine to be part of the EU all about??? I'm confused if, as you say, they're not going to do shit for Ukraine. I'm not arguing with you; I'm asking. "It did not really matter what we expected from life, but rather what life expected from us. We needed to stop asking about the meaning of life, and instead to think of ourselves as those who were being questioned by life – daily and hourly. Our answer must consist not in talk and meditation, but in right action and in right conduct. Life ultimately means taking the responsibility to find the right answer to its problems and to fulfill the tasks which it constantly sets for each individual." Viktor Frankl, Man's Search for Meaning, 1946. | |||
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Although harsh, I've said before and I stand by my statement, Ukraine is irrelevant to US interests as far as I can see. They are not a NATO partner, nor are they ever going to be. We have no responsibility to meddle in what goes on there. However, a real president (and no we don't have one), would coordinate with the NATO and EU partners, and then behind closed doors make it abundantly clear to Putin that he dare not step across the Ukraine border into any NATO country or we as a group would respond with both military force 'and' completely shut down the Russian economy. ----------------------------- Guns are awesome because they shoot solid lead freedom. Every man should have several guns. And several dogs, because a man with a cat is a woman. Kurt Schlichter | |||
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From what I've read online, the US played a fairly significant role in his rise to power. That's a huge part of the reason (along with the rampant corruption in Zelenshy's administration), Putin views him as illegitimate. ----------------------------- Guns are awesome because they shoot solid lead freedom. Every man should have several guns. And several dogs, because a man with a cat is a woman. Kurt Schlichter | |||
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Likely the WEF bankers are responsible for this. Global government from the shadows | |||
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| Gracie Allen is my personal savior! |
Yes, because warning off Putin has been documented to be so effective. Tell you what - look at a map of Europe, ask yourself whether the rest of NATO still trusts in our commitment to them, find Europe new, plentiful sources of oil and natural gas, and then try again. And chellim, if Putin gets dialed back he'll need to be dialed back all the way to 2014 or the sore will simply continue to fester and we can all look forward to a repeat of this exercise some years down the road. Nobody's claiming to have a magic wand, but half-assed is what got us where we are today. | |||
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Since the end of World War II, Europe has largely, enjoyed its longest period of peace in history. Aside from Cold War flare-ups, and the problems in the Balkans, it's time for Europe to wake up and acknowledge the threat. The people need to elect adults and those in uniform need to speak plainly. Europe’s Wakeup Call - The Ukraine invasion has reshaped the balance of power on the Continent
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| Banned |
Warfare in the Ukraine has been ongoing for decades, largely revolving around two states that are mostly Russian speaking. "Unthinkable" is a bit much when the bullets and bombs have been flying constantly. At present all the talk about "Putin is gonna invade the EU!" ignores him already accomplishing most of his goals in the first three days, avoiding major shelling or street to street fighing in major urban areas, and already offering negotiations. First, Zelensky doesn't even step down, it's not even on the table. Another, "demilitarization" has already occurred in the strategic area with air strikes on the American sponsored bio labs doing work in the Ukraine. Another is the removal of what was called "nazi's" which characterized the Azov battalion - which deliberatly adopted a 1930s symbol used in Germany during the '30's and 40's. It's been - what - a week? And peace negotiations are already ongoing. So why speculate on Russia invading multiple other countries? If there is anything that sets the tone for this conflict in the news coverage, is the complete lack of facts and any combat footage. There is supposed to be a war on? Far too much of it has been old stock footage of past events, rumors, and bluntly, out right lies. And none of it is repeating the stories of the Ukraine corruption that was installed during the Obama era. What we are seeing is not Biden vs Putin, its Obama vs Putin. Theres no need to pick a side until you get all the facts - and one of those facts is that as citizens, you and I aren't directly affected by this except those exploiting the markets for fuel and gas. For that, the pipelines still remain open and Europe is still getting it's commitments met. How is this a "major" conflict when utilities are still open, limited objectives are being pursued, and the negotiations in place already? Look at the people in Congress who have taken up support of Ukraine and compare to who was imposing mandates and shutting down businesses. I don't think we are getting the full story and following the money would be advised. | |||
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| A Grateful American |
Credible proof? "the meaning of life, is to give life meaning" ✡ Ani Yehudi אני יהודי Le'olam lo shuv לעולם לא שוב! | |||
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 Jesse Sic Semper Tyrannis | |||
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| Staring back from the abyss  |
Росомахи! ________________________________________________________ "Great danger lies in the notion that we can reason with evil." Doug Patton. | |||
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So it not ok to invade Ukrainian but ok to invade Belarus? | |||
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Fighting the good fight |
These determinations depend on context. For example, during WW2 it was not ok for Germany to invade Poland/France/Denmark/Belgium/Holland/Norway/Yugoslavia/Greece/Russia/et al. But it was ok for the Allies to invade Germany in response. In this case, Russia and Belarus started an illegitimate war of aggression by invading Ukraine. That is not ok. But if the war were to expand to include NATO countries coming to the active defense of Ukraine, it would be ok for NATO to invade Kaliningrad and Belarus as part of that aim of stopping Belarussian/Russian aggression, freeing Ukraine, ending the war, and restoring stability. | |||
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| Freethinker |
Obviously—one would think.  Hardly different than someone's breaking into a house and shooting the occupant versus the occupant shooting the invader. ► 6.4/93.6 “Cet animal est très méchant, quand on l’attaque il se défend.” | |||
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