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Is that idiot Biden gonna get us in a war with Russia or China?

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March 16, 2023, 09:51 AM
Rightwire
Is that idiot Biden gonna get us in a war with Russia or China?
quote:
Originally posted by HRK:
"Maverixky, you did an incredibly brave thing. What you should have done was land your plane! You don't own that plane! The people of Mother Russia do! Comrade, your ego is writing checkskys your body can't cash!"


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March 16, 2023, 11:30 AM
IrishWind
NHRacer. I must have rattled you. I mentioned a story the HRK posted yesterday, and it isn't until I cite it that you go hysterical. Still waiting to see where YOUR facts come from. But I have a few guesses. But keep sticking with YOUR propaganda, I'll keep sticking with the facts and real news. But I don't care. GOing to do something I've never done in 20 years here: use the ignore feature. I don't have time for stupidity.


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March 16, 2023, 11:31 AM
BansheeOne
Maybe they'll make the guy fly rubber dog shit out of Vladivostok for the rest of his career.
March 16, 2023, 11:35 AM
IrishWind
Nah, that pilot will be given a medal for destroying a spy plane. Maybe even turn it into a movie.


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March 16, 2023, 12:15 PM
nhracecraft
quote:
Originally posted by IrishWind:
NHRacer. I must have rattled you. I mentioned a story the HRK posted yesterday, and it isn't until I cite it that you go hysterical. Still waiting to see where YOUR facts come from. But I have a few guesses. But keep sticking with YOUR propaganda, I'll keep sticking with the facts and real news. But I don't care. GOing to do something I've never done in 20 years here: use the ignore feature. I don't have time for stupidity.

I'm NOT pushing propaganda, I'm merely pointing out propaganda. Facts and 'real news'...That's funny right there! Feel free to ignore the truth though...

It's amazing that you are so 'dug in' that you aren't even willing to actually read all the words that are posted (or comprehend them), and then jump to conclusions, regarding things not even posted! That, and an overwhelming reliance on conjecture as the basis to refute whatever, or whoever disagrees with the propaganda that comforts you!

Just another day in the 'Idiot Biden War Propaganda' thread...

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March 16, 2023, 12:34 PM
Fly-Sig
There are several other ways the Russian pilot could have approached and passed the drone without being blind. He could have accomplished the fuel dump without the crazy risk. Interesting that he did not have decent training on intercept and pass techniques.
March 16, 2023, 09:54 PM
arabiancowboy
quote:
Originally posted by Rightwire:

Opinions may vary but I don't think ramming is an effective method of intercept, if you want your own aircraft back.

Ramming is an excellent method of intercept. It worked, right? Not the first time it’s been done.

Dropping landing gear and ramming SUAS is a thing, and surprisingly one of the easiest methods to bring them down. Of course, MQ-9 is not a SUAS and this Russian pilot appears lucky more than skilled. I’m just pointing out that if it’s stupid but it works, it isn’t stupid.

Also, does anyone here actually believe this happened in international airspace? The Reaper video always has symbology showing its current location; it was sanitized for public release which means we are intentionally not saying where the event happened.
March 16, 2023, 10:06 PM
Pipe Smoker
quote:
Originally posted by BansheeOne:
Maybe they'll make the guy fly rubber dog shit out of Vladivostok for the rest of his career.

The shortest BansheeOne post that I recall. Smile



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March 17, 2023, 06:01 AM
IrishWind
And this incident took place about 120NM miles SSW of Sevastopol, well outside Russian airspace.
Edit to fix distances to Sevastopol.

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March 17, 2023, 07:49 AM
chellim1
quote:
Originally posted by IrishWind:
And this incident took place 40-50NM miles SSW of Sevastopol, well outside Russian airspace.

Is it an act of war to intentionally take down our aircraft in international airspace?

I saw the video, and it was not taken down by mistake. It was clearly intentional.
Sure, it may not have been "safe and professional" to clip the propeller. That part may have been an accident. But if flown perfectly, dumping fuel on it to blind it was an intentional act to bring it down.

So, what's our response?

We give a press conference, at the Pentagon, with a "strongly worded" rebuke. We said the Russians would have to be "more professional":
quote:

Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin vowed on Wednesday that U.S. aircraft will continue to "fly and to operate wherever international law allows," one day after Russian aircraft hit a U.S. drone over the Black Sea, forcing it to be brought down in international waters.

"This hazardous episode is part of a pattern of aggressive, and risky, and unsafe actions in international airspace," Austin said at the beginning of a meeting of the Ukraine Defense Contact Group. "So make no mistake, the United States will continue to fly and to operate wherever international law allows. And it is incumbent upon Russia to operate its' military aircraft in a safe and professional manner."


So, is Lloyd Austin saying, in effect, it's OK to take down our aircraft in international airspace as long as you do it in "a safe and professional manner" ... without so much risk to your own aircraft or pilot?



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March 17, 2023, 07:59 AM
Shaql
quote:
Originally posted by IrishWind:
And this incident took place 40-50NM miles SSW of Sevastopol, well outside Russian airspace.


Well outside of Russian airspace but is it within the airspace of a warzone? Honest question.

If it's within that airspace and Russians have assets floating around outside of Crimea, and knowing that Ukraine has been given "Western Support", is it not unrealistic for them to consider that drone a threat?

The other option is that the Russians knew it was a US asset and took it down anyway. A calculated chance that it won't start a shooting war with the US?





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March 17, 2023, 08:31 AM
RGRacing
I just heard on our local MSM News that it is now only "Harassment". That sounds much better don't you think.
March 17, 2023, 08:39 AM
chellim1
quote:
The other option is that the Russians knew it was a US asset and took it down anyway. A calculated chance that it won't start a shooting war with the US?

They have calculated correctly... this time.
But isn't that how escalation happens?



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March 17, 2023, 08:46 AM
Rightwire
quote:
Originally posted by RGRacing:
I just heard on our local MSM News that it is now only "Harassment". That sounds much better don't you think.


Someone should notify HR, harassment will not be tolerated.




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March 17, 2023, 09:00 AM
IrishWind
I just plotted the approximate location of where the incident happened. It is more like 120nm from Sevastopol. The nearest land referred to in the graphic is actually Turkey.


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March 17, 2023, 09:03 AM
Shaql
quote:
Originally posted by chellim1:

They have calculated correctly... this time.
But isn't that how escalation happens?


100%. However, is that why the US is responding with a strongly worded rebuke? The drone was flying around in a warzone?

At the end of the day it won't matter though, right? Doesn't matter who started it, a shooting war is pretty much going to trigger some real bad mojo for everyone.





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March 17, 2023, 09:10 AM
chellim1
Maybe we should just say: President Zelenskyy, the answer is no more.
Ask the Germans for help.



"Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible."
-- Justice Janice Rogers Brown

"The United States government is the largest criminal enterprise on earth."
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March 17, 2023, 09:16 AM
stoic-one
quote:
Originally posted by chellim1:
Maybe we should just say: President Zelenskyy, the answer is no more.
Ask the Germans for help.
For as long as it takes? Razz


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March 17, 2023, 10:05 AM
IrishWind
quote:
Originally posted by IrishWind:
Nah, that pilot will be given a medal for destroying a spy plane. Maybe even turn it into a movie.


Called it! Awards given to the two pilots.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/rus...ilots-094828825.html


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March 17, 2023, 11:05 AM
corsair
quote:
Originally posted by IrishWind:
quote:
Originally posted by IrishWind:
Nah, that pilot will be given a medal for destroying a spy plane. Maybe even turn it into a movie.


Called it! Awards given to the two pilots.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/rus...ilots-094828825.html

Russians give medals for ANYTHING.
Those Wagner mercenaries in Syria, who's column got annihilated by us in 2018 Battle of Conoco Fields, those survivors received medals in Moscow.

As to the larger issue...drones are supposed to be inexpensive options compared to manned aircraft. A medium sized surveillance drone getting knocked-down, is no different than a large-size drone like what Iran shot down back in 2019 Is it worth going to war over? The Chinese got stupid back 2001 with the Hainan Island incident, that would've been a bigger reason to trade paint and destroy property than this. If a manned platform is a full-step on the escalation ladder, is a unmanned platform a half step-up?

Like the U-2, surveillance tech doesn't require the platform to be directly overhead, you can skirt the perimeter of the zone you're investigating. The crux is that the drone tech doesn't get so damn expensive and exquisite that decision makers twist themselves into knots figuring out if they should continue. Keep sending them up, drones are supposed to be expendable.