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Thank you for doing this, we need actuals juries of our peers, meaning some folks with intelligence and skills to serve.

I would love to serve on a grand jury!

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Correct me but thought that a grand jury inditement (a true bill) vs a (no true bill) only indicates that there is probable cause to bring that person to trial... or let the person go free..... And that the DA guides the panel so depending on the findings he can say his hands are/were tied as to whether further legal proceedinds are carried forward or dropped ...... Copout on the DA"s actions depending on the grand jury findings. .........,,,,,,,.... drill sgt.


Your understanding is correct. A police detective usually presents their case to the DA and the DA will decide if they are going to take it based on if they feel they have enough to take to grand jury and eventually trial.

The DA then presents the facts to the grand jury and sometimes brings a witness and the grand jury can question the DA and witness for more clarification. Burden of proof at grand jury is only probable cause.

Probable cause is just below preponderance and preponderance is greater than 50% proof they did it. If a DA takes a case to grand jury and gets a “No bill” then they can say he tried but the grand jury didn’t feel there was enough.




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Did a stint on a Federal Grand Jury in Charlotte years ago. Was very interesting.


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[QUOTE]Originally posted by drill sgt:
Correct me but thought that a grand jury inditement (a true bill) vs a (no true bill) only indicates that there is probable cause to bring that person to trial... or let the person go free..... And that the DA guides the panel so depending on the findings he can say his hands are/were tied as to whether further legal proceedinds are carried forward or dropped ...... Copout on the DA"s actions depending on the grand jury findings. .........,,,,,,,.... drill sgt.


Your understanding is correct. A police detective usually presents their case to the DA and the DA will decide if they are going to take it based on if they feel they have enough to take to grand jury and eventually trial.

The DA then presents the facts to

Probable cause is just below preponderance and preponderance is greater than 50% proof they did it. If a DA takes a case to grand jury and gets a “No bill” t when I hear about or read about a grand jury verdict
 
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by drill sgt:
Correct me but thought that a grand jury inditement (a true bill) vs a (no true bill) only indicates that there is probable cause to bring that person to trial... or let the person go free..... And that the DA guides the panel so depending on the findings he can say his hands are/were tied as to whether further legal proceedinds are carried forward or dropped ...... Copout on the DA"s actions depending on the grand jury findings. .........,,,,,,,.... drill sgt.


Your understanding is correct. A police detective usually presents their case to the DA and the DA will decide if they are going to take it based on if they feel they have enough to take to grand jury and eventually trial.

The DA then presents the facts to

Probable cause is just below preponderance and preponderance is greater than 50% proof they did it. If a DA takes a case to grand jury and gets a “No bill” t when I hear about or read about a grand jury verdict
This is exactly why when I see or hear about some person be they ordinary, celebratity, or a politician that are taken before a grand jury and other people start to get worked up that my response is to say "big f----- deal" because of the power that the DA has as he "guides" the proceedings be it going for a "true bill" or "no true bill"..................................... drill sgt.
 
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Did a stint on a Federal Grand Jury in Charlotte years ago. Was very interesting.


I wonder what at the federal level is used to select a federal grand jury. Citizenship, tax files, or what. I will have to ask my BIL who is a federal judge if someone here doesn’t know.




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Federal law requires that a grand jury be selected at random from a fair cross section of the
community in the district or division in which the federal grand jury convenes. Thus, all citizens have
an equal opportunity and obligation to serve.
Pursuant to law, the names of prospective grand jurors are drawn at random from lists of
registered voters or lists of actual voters, or other sources when necessary, under procedures
designed to ensure that all groups in the community will have a fair chance to serve. Those persons
whose names have been drawn and who are not exempt or excused from service are summoned to
appear for duty as grand jurors. When these persons appear before the court, the presiding judge
may consider any further requests to be excused. The judge will then direct the selection of 23
qualified persons to become the members of the grand jury.

LINK: https://www.ndd.uscourts.gov/j...ook_grand_jurors.pdf
 
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Now you know how a Ham Sandwich feels after being indicted..
 
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Federal law requires that a grand jury be selected at random from a fair cross section of the
community in the district or division in which the federal grand jury convenes. Thus, all citizens have
an equal opportunity and obligation to serve.
Pursuant to law, the names of prospective grand jurors are drawn at random from lists of
registered voters or lists of actual voters, or other sources when necessary, under procedures
designed to ensure that all groups in the community will have a fair chance to serve. Those persons
whose names have been drawn and who are not exempt or excused from service are summoned to
appear for duty as grand jurors. When these persons appear before the court, the presiding judge
may consider any further requests to be excused. The judge will then direct the selection of 23
qualified persons to become the members of the grand jury.

LINK: https://www.ndd.uscourts.gov/j...ook_grand_jurors.pdf


That is exactly what my BIL told me.




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I guess I take it for granted of how much I know about the criminal Justice system, but it really blows my mind how LITTLE the average person knows. We had a week of training and the questions people asked were totally off the wall and unrelated to anything! Of course there are two people who just constantly ask annoying questions and they should be fun to serve with. I start the actual service next week. Should be interesting.




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Bring a chair seat cushion.....all the court room benches I had sat on are hard wood. They will allow it.


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Is this level of grand jury service typical in Texas? I know you're in a populated area, but, for example, in my state, criminal charges (up to murder) can be taken before a grand jury or filed via trial information. Nearly all cases across the entire state are filed by trial information. Grand juries are empanelled in all counties, but the actual service in most cases is limited to a short training and a tour of the jail (one responsibility of a grand jury here is inspecting the condition of the jail). My wife was on the grand jury in our county last year (and ended up being the forewoman) and it was a major non-event.

The most common thing you see taken to grand juries are officer-involved shootings, and even that is not legally required.
 
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Is this level of grand jury service typical in Texas? I know you're in a populated area, but, for example, in my state, criminal charges (up to murder) can be taken before a grand jury or filed via trial information. Nearly all cases across the entire state are filed by trial information. Grand juries are empanelled in all counties, but the actual service in most cases is limited to a short training and a tour of the jail (one responsibility of a grand jury here is inspecting the condition of the jail). My wife was on the grand jury in our county last year (and ended up being the forewoman) and it was a major non-event.

The most common thing you see taken to grand juries are officer-involved shootings, and even that is not legally required.


Probably really depends on the jurisdiction. In the county I reside, all felonies are presented to a grand jury. Other areas may go with an information instead of an indictment. The county in which I once had to testify before the grand jury as the investigator in the crime, all felonies are presented to the grand jury.




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Bring a chair seat cushion.....all the court room benches I had sat on are hard wood. They will allow it.


The grand jury room at this courthouse is supposed to be a big conference room and probably has pretty cushy chairs. I will find out tomorrow. I will be bringing snacks and water. I decided I will take public transportation to get to the courthouse. It will take a whole lot longer to get there and I will have to wake up early, but will only cost me $2.50 round trip and I won’t be the one driving in rush hour.




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Popcorn??? They should feed you lunch and supper if it goes late. I don't know about snacks. I suspect the DA has a cushy chair. I have never seen cushy chairs in a courtroom,but my court appearances have been limited to rural TN, Mississippi and the rural Midwest.
 
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…the questions people asked were totally off the wall and unrelated to anything!…

Are you allowed to give examples?
 
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…the questions people asked were totally off the wall and unrelated to anything!…

Are you allowed to give examples?


Yeah because this was just during training and not officially grand jury discussions. The DA’s office was doing presentations of the different types of crimes we would be hearing; burglaries, robberies, homicides, repeat DWIs, etc. people kept asking hypothetical questions like, “What would the crime be if a person walked into your garage and took a power tool?” It was more like they wanted legal advice or answers to hypothetical situations rather than what does a grand jury do in xyz situation. It also took way more explaining than needed because of the questions to state the fact it takes 9 grand jurors to indict. People asked what if 9 indict and the others don’t want to just after they explained it only takes 9 and not all 12.




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Math and logic are hard.

On the other hand, when you said in your OP 3 days a week for 3 months, my thought was why would it take so long for one case? Based on your last post, you are hearing more than one case. Shows how much I know. I couldn’t figure out why anyone would think it would be fun. Now I agree with them.
 
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Is this level of grand jury service typical in Texas? I know you're in a populated area, but, for example, in my state, criminal charges (up to murder) can be taken before a grand jury or filed via trial information. Nearly all cases across the entire state are filed by trial information. Grand juries are empanelled in all counties, but the actual service in most cases is limited to a short training and a tour of the jail (one responsibility of a grand jury here is inspecting the condition of the jail). My wife was on the grand jury in our county last year (and ended up being the forewoman) and it was a major non-event.

The most common thing you see taken to grand juries are officer-involved shootings, and even that is not legally required.


Probably really depends on the jurisdiction. In the county I reside, all felonies are presented to a grand jury. Other areas may go with an information instead of an indictment. The county in which I once had to testify before the grand jury as the investigator in the crime, all felonies are presented to the grand jury.


Actually, in Texas, it is not county specific. it is governed by article 1.05 Code of criminal procedures.

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Art. 1.05. RIGHTS OF ACCUSED. In all criminal prosecutions the accused shall have a speedy public trial by an impartial jury. He shall have the right to demand the nature and cause of the accusation against him, and to have a copy thereof. He shall not be compelled to give evidence against himself. He shall have the right of being heard by himself, or counsel, or both; shall be confronted with the witnesses against him, and shall have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor. No person shall be held to answer for a felony unless on indictment of a grand jury.


It is a waivable right under the CCP, so the defendant may waive indictment. however, if the defendant does not waive indictment, nobody can be charged with a felony by information.

Art 1.14 covers the waiver of rights


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Laugh at the arrest descriptions. Some are hilarious, like the cop tracking foot prints in the snow on a burglary. The theif lived next door.
 
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