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The GDCs have lost it. Completely lost it. This message has been edited. Last edited by: parabellum, Nice is overrated "It's every freedom-loving individual's duty to lie to the government." Airsoftguy, June 29, 2018 | ||
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There is a retired firefighter in Chicago who seems to have a good answer to the question. | |||
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Gracie Allen is my personal savior! |
And this, ladies and gentlemen, is how we transition from privileged snowflakes to eloi. Seriously, don't those idiots know anyone who can tell them what life was like in DC during the 70's and 80's? | |||
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Age Quod Agis |
The paper hasn't lost it's mind, in that it doesn't seem to be advocating for a particular position. It is, however, calling the question on the table; in what kind of society do the residents of SF wish to live? Valid question, and I think it is good that the paper asked it. Do you want more policing and less tolerance for disorder, or do you want a more lenient, less ordered society where a certain level of crime and disorder is an acceptable norm. Take your pick, but you can't have lenience and tolerance without the corresponding disorder. Also note, that the poor and middle class will pay the price of disorder, not the city's mandarins. "I vowed to myself to fight against evil more completely and more wholeheartedly than I ever did before. . . . That’s the only way to pay back part of that vast debt, to live up to and try to fulfill that tremendous obligation." Alfred Hornik, Sunday, December 2, 1945 to his family, on his continuing duty to others for surviving WW II. | |||
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The people of San Francisco have only themselves to blame for this. | |||
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What lives in san francisco should stay in san francisco. Please, don't let them infest free country. "Wrong does not cease to be wrong because the majority share in it." L.Tolstoy "A government is just a body of people, usually, notably, ungoverned." Shepherd Book | |||
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Gracie Allen is my personal savior! |
^^^ And the punchline to that joke is: that's how San Franciscans used to feel about Oakland. | |||
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Never miss an opportunity to be Batman! |
In a normal big city Criminal Justice System, a criminal really has to work to get sent to prison for longer than a year (that is usually a city or county jail sentence, not big boy prison). Traditionally Burglary 2nd (breaking into an unoccupied home or business), they usually need 5-10 previous convictions before any prison time. Burglary 1st Degree (breaking into an occupied home or business) usually 3-5 convictions. Under "Progressive Commie" Prosecutors, any prison time requires a lot more previous convictions in both categories. | |||
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I suppose it would be too much to hope that SF will pass a "shoot to protect your property law" anytime soon? Yeah, that's what I thought.... "...we have put together I think the most extensive & inclusive voter fraud organization in the history of American politics." - Joe Biden | |||
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I believe there is a perfect opportunity to trial this approach. Nancy Pelosi should throw open the doors to her SF mansion and allow any and all to simply take what they wish. If Nancy takes the lead, I am certain that other SF millionaires will follow. Let me help you out. Which way did you come in? | |||
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San Francisco residents are getting exactly what they've voted for over many years. Every election results in a move leftward. The wealthy don't suffer the consequences of their policy preferences because they have insurance and as long as whatever hits them stays non violent it's just some of the redistribution of resources they're ok with. The young tech folks moved to SF from elsewhere and quickly learn it's just how things work in SF. A busted window is a lifestyle penalty that insurance pays for. Those in bad neighborhoods would live with this shit regardless. Residents have already decided to tolerate it. Proof is in their votes and zero demand for the police to be cops instead of social workers. | |||
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Whether the newspaper is advocating the “tolerance” or merely asking it as a way of raising the larger question of how criminals should be treated, I can only think of the dystopian nightmarish societies that the science fiction writers of my youth set their stories in. The fact that such a question would even be asked says much about where we are today. ► 6.4/93.6 “It is a habit of mankind to entrust to careless hope what they long for, and to use sovereign reason to thrust aside what they do not desire.” — Thucydides; quoted by Victor Davis Hanson, The Second World Wars | |||
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Much of this is pivoting around super-Left SF District Attorney Chesa Boudin. Being a hardcore, former public defender, his MO is black & brown people don't commit crimes but are victims of privileged laws and policies that are against them ergo, any and all offenders should go free. He believes himself to be at the vanguard of social change. Most of the news media continues to cover for his policies and give inordinate platform & voice to his supporters. In an interesting turn, two prosecutors, both quite Left in their own social positions, recently resigned due to the warping of legal statutes and favoritism that Boudin and his office have conducted. EXCLUSIVE: Two SF Prosecutors Quit, Join Effort to Recall District Attorney Chesa Boudin SF ADAs jump ship as Boudin recall likely heads to voters
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No justice, no peace. SF can go to hell. "Wrong does not cease to be wrong because the majority share in it." L.Tolstoy "A government is just a body of people, usually, notably, ungoverned." Shepherd Book | |||
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The one outcome I like about the lockdown is that I've no longer had to take monthly trips to SF (take my wife their). When the lockdowns are lifted and monthly trips resume, I'm not sure what to do while waiting for my wife. I used to just bike/walk around Chrissy field. But not sure I'm comfortable leaving my car unattended anymore. I guess just sit in / near my car for half a day.... Read a book? "Wrong does not cease to be wrong because the majority share in it." L.Tolstoy "A government is just a body of people, usually, notably, ungoverned." Shepherd Book | |||
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They DEMANDED this. ____________________________ Eeewwww, don't touch it! Here, poke at it with this stick. | |||
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Wait, what? |
They made their bed. Let them lie in it. “Remember to get vaccinated or a vaccinated person might get sick from a virus they got vaccinated against because you’re not vaccinated.” - author unknown | |||
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Check out Peter Santenello’s video series on San Francisco that he did 8 and 9 months ago. It’s not a pretty picture. It’s a 5 video series. Here is one of them. --------------- Gary Will Fly for Food... and more Ammo Mosquito Lubrication Video If Guns Cause Crime, Mine Are Defective.... Ted Nugent | |||
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Corgis Rock |
In June 1851 the Committee of Vigilance was established “ WHEREAS it has become apparent to the citizens of San Francisco, that there is no security for life and property, either under the regulations of society as it at present exists, or under the law as now administered; Therefore the citizens, whose names are hereunto attached, do unit themselves into an association for the maintenance of the peace and good order of society, and the preservation of the lives and property of the citizens of San Francisco, and do bind ourselves, each unto the other, to do and perform every lawful act for the maintenance of law and order, and to sustain the laws when faithfully and properly administered; but we are determined that no thief, burglar, incendiary or assassin, shall escape punishment, either by the quibbles of the law, the insecurity of prisons. the carelessness or corruption of the police, or a laxity of those who pretend to administer justice.” https://cdnc.ucr.edu/?a=d&d=DAC18510613.2.8 “ The Committee engaged in policing, investigating disreputable boarding houses and vessels, deporting immigrants, and parading its militia. Four people were hanged by the Committee; one was whipped (a common punishment at that time); fourteen were deported to Australia; fourteen were informally ordered to leave California; fifteen were handed over to public authorities; and forty-one were discharged. The 1851 Committee of Vigilance was dissolved during the September elections, but its executive members continued to meet into 1853“ https://books.google.com/books...html?id=qhyq64Plm4YC Perhaps it’s time for history to repeat itself. “ The work of destruction is quick, easy and exhilarating; the work of creation is slow, laborious and dull. | |||
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Lawyers, Guns and Money |
This is an older thread... but tolerating crime has consequences: Checkout's closed: Whole Foods FLAGSHIP San Francisco store closes after just one year because of rampant drug use in restrooms, violence towards staff - and theft of ALL 250 shopping baskets Whole Foods opened a 'flagship' store in Downtown San Francisco in March 2022 By October last year operating hours were reduced amid theft and violence The store has now closed down indefinitely citing safety concerns for staff One of the largest supermarkets in Downtown San Francisco has closed down just one year after opening due to widespread drug use, theft and aggressive behavior towards staff members. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/ne...co=related-replace-2 "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." -- Justice Janice Rogers Brown "The United States government is the largest criminal enterprise on earth." -rduckwor | |||
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