^^^ Well now, that's just perfect.

They’d better go with loaded plate carriers.

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They’d better go with loaded plate carriers.

You mean like at the all-u-can-eat buffay?

If I owned a shovel company I hire ol' AB in a heartbeat. He's a guy that just doesn't know how to stop shoveling. I'd make a fortune.

In-depth article from WP.com • The last paragraph is from the Sheriff of Santa Fe County

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Fact Checker - Analysis
Baldwin says he never pulled the trigger. Experts are skeptical.

By Glenn Kessler • The Fact Checker • Today (Dec 8 2021) at 3:00 a.m. EST

“Then I let go of the hammer of the gun, and the gun goes off.” — actor Alec Baldwin, in an interview with ABC News’s George Stephanopoulos, Dec. 2

In his first interview since the fatal shooting of cinematographer Halyna Hutchins on the film set of a western called “Rust,” Baldwin said that he had started to cock the gun and released the hammer but that “I never pulled the trigger.”

His story has been backed by an attorney for “Rust” assistant director Dave Halls. “Dave has told me since the very first day I met him that Alec did not pull that trigger,” Lisa Torraco told ABC News. “His finger was never in the trigger guard.”

But several gun experts increasingly say this scenario does not make sense unless there was a serious mechanical defect with the gun — which should have been obvious before it was used.

If reports are correct that Baldwin was handling a reproduction of a single-action revolver, said to be a F. LL1 Pietta Long Colt 45 Revolver, this design would allow for four spots to hold the hammer in place as it is pulled back. (Here’s a video demonstration of the clicks on a single action revolver.)

Nothing is supposed to happen if only the hammer is pulled back and resting on a sear — which holds the hammer in place — even if the gun is dropped.

But when enough pressure is applied to the trigger, a bar releases the sear, which releases the hammer and then the gun fires. (Here’s a video guide to the role of the sear.)

Steve Wolf, a theatrical firearms safety expert, said in an interview with CNN that Baldwin’s account is “not plausible.”

... “On a single-action revolver, when you pull the hammer back, which is an intentional act — click, click, click, click — now the hammer is set,” he said. “When you pull the hammer back and let go … the hammer doesn’t go anywhere. When you press the trigger … it takes very little to press the trigger there.”

In an interview with the Wrap, which covers the entertainment industry, Wolf said the likelihood of Baldwin’s statement being true was “zero” on a scale of 1 to 10. “You know, guns don’t go off by themselves, right? It’s an inanimate object. It has no batteries. It has no time,” he said. “It has no web connection. It’s not a smart piece of equipment. It’s a very reliable device that shoots when you press the trigger, and it doesn’t shoot when you don’t press the trigger.”

Michael Cargill, owner of Central Texas Gun Works, said in an interview with Emily Miller, author of a book on gun-control laws and policies: “The very first thing people say when a gun discharges is that they didn’t touch the trigger. … It’s a common mistake for new people. It’s unconscious. They truly believe they didn’t have their finger on the trigger.”

Cargill, who is a handgun and private security instructor, told Miller one possible explanation is Baldwin had his finger on the trigger and used his thumb to pull the hammer back.

In an interview with The Fact Checker, Cargill offered another possibility — that the hammer was pulled back and did not properly engage with the sear so it could be released without pulling the trigger. “Boom, it will go off,” he said.

Stephen Gutowski, founder and editor of the Reload, which reports on guns, wrote in an opinion article in USA Today: “It’s a surprising claim because it’s also an improbable one. Despite how often people will say a gun just ‘went off’ on its own, it’s an extremely uncommon phenomenon. Modern guns have internal safeties that make it impossible for the gun to fire without the trigger being pulled.”

Gutowski said the hammer will catch on a sear after being pulled back, as Wolf demonstrated, unless the trigger is already depressed. “If you hold the trigger down while you manipulate the hammer on a single-action revolver, you can pull the hammer back and release it without it catching on any of the sears,” he added.

In an article on the Reload website, Gutowski wrote: “What seems far more likely is Baldwin kept the trigger depressed as he pulled the hammer back. Then, when he released the hammer, the trigger kept the sears out of the way, and the gun fired. Perhaps Baldwin is making some kind of semantic argument about pulling a trigger rather than keeping it depressed while cocking the hammer, but that’s a distinction without a difference.”

Sheriff Adan Mendoza of Santa Fe County told Fox News that the department is awaiting results from the FBI on how the gun could have been fired. But he was also skeptical about Baldwin’s statement. “Guns don’t just go off,” Mendoza said. “So whatever needs to happen to manipulate the firearm, he did that, and it was in his hands.”

(firewall likely; I've just resubscribed @ $9.99 for the next year; know thy enemy)
https://www.washingtonpost.com...perts-are-skeptical/

The facts of the case are likely fixed at this point. All the LE involved knows that he had the gun in his hand, and can likely show that he had to have pulled the trigger. The gun was in his hand when it went off. If this is enough to show probable cause, they could have filed charges, indicted him (and or others) by now.

As I said before, the fact that this was a prop gun on a movie set, with (supposedly) professional armorers setting up / loading the guns, with (supposedly) proper blank ammo, TELLING HIM EXPLICITY THAT THE GUN WAS SAFE, will likely prevent him from being charged.

If anything, his saying he didn't pull the trigger looks false, and probably works against him.

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Sheriff Adan Mendoza of Santa Fe County told Fox News that the department is awaiting results from the FBI on how the gun could have been fired. But he was also skeptical about Baldwin’s statement. “Guns don’t just go off,” Mendoza said. “So whatever needs to happen to manipulate the firearm, he did that, and it was in his hands.”

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https://townhall.com/columnist...lec-baldwin-n2600374

There's one question George Stephanopoulos never asked Alec Baldwin in his exclusive interview last week that keeps nagging at me.

"Would you have checked the gun if the scene you were shooting called for you to point it at your own head and pull the trigger?"

and yet he is still walking around a free man...

The whole interview is a scripted, edited farce. A very straight to the point analysis.

Body Language: Body Language – Alec Baldwin on ABC, Cuts Galore

-TVz

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You mean like at the all-u-can-eat buffay?

You been here four hour! You frighten my wife! You eat more than killer whale!

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Originally posted by sigmonkey:


You mean like at the all-u-can-eat buffay?

You been here four hour! You frighten my wife! You eat more than killer whale!

"If you leave now, it's free." -Manager of a all you can eat steak house in Amarillo, to my dads coworkers back in the 1980s.

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The whole interview is a scripted, edited farce. A very straight to the point analysis.

Body Language: Body Language – Alec Baldwin on ABC, Cuts Galore

-TVz

When this interview was first posted earlier in the thread, my first impression was that it seemed scripted and rehearsed, and that Stephanopoulos knew what questions to ask, and Baldwin knew what questions were coming.

From the interview with the body language commenter:

Alec Baldwin- ".... was precipitated on one idea and that was that Halyna and I had something profound in common, and that is that we both assumed the gun was empty, other than those, uh, dummy rounds."

Not that we needed it at this point, but further proof, in his own words, that Baldwin (and perhaps other set members as well) either never checked the gun or failed to check it thoroughly.

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seemed scripted and rehearsed, and that Stephanopoulos knew what questions to ask...

Stephanopoulos's signature schtick.

He is a deceptive shit, and anything but a reporter/journalist.

He abides in apple trees and entices women with fruit...

If Snow the Salt Queen is charged with Manslaughter for pointing a gun at someone and pulling the trigger without verifying it was unloaded, so should AB.

the annual Robert F. Kennedy Ripple of Hope went off as one would have expected

what a collection of phony elites

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/u...-rust-shoot-rcna8306

Alec Baldwin on Thursday made his first public appearance since the fatal shooting on the set of the Western film “Rust,” hosting the annual Robert F. Kennedy Ripple of Hope gala in midtown Manhattan.

“Thank you for all coming out tonight. It’s great to be together in person,” Baldwin said in brief introductory remarks. “My wife and I have six kids — anything to get out of the house for 30 minutes.”

He called on guests to follow the words of Robert F. Kennedy and “ make gentle the life of this world .”

Kerry Kennedy, the Robert F. Kennedy Human Rights organization’s president, said she was “touched” that Baldwin agreed to appear.

Baldwin did not directly comment on the Oct. 21 shooting in New Mexico, which killed cinematographer Halyna Hutchins

The RFK gala, which recognizes public figures who are dedicated to social change, presented a Ripple of Hope award to Stacey Abrams

Vice President Kamala Harris appeared virtually to deliver the keynote address, congratulating the honorees on their awards

Previous winners of the Ripple of Hope Award include Biden, former President Barack Obama, Apple chief Tim Cook, football player and activist Colin Kaepernick and actor George Clooney.

Thursday’s event was attended by more than 700 people, all of whom were required to show proof of vaccination and a negative Covid test result

I think you guys are over thinking this homicide by Alex. The best defense will be that the dead woman in essence killed herself and poor Alex is actually an innocent victim himself.

Before anyone freaks out, let us follow a possible proper defense case.

1. The dead woman is a cinematographer and thus must tell (direct) the actor in exactly
what to do in order to get the perfect cinema shot angles. Alex is told to:
a. Point the gun toward the camera to get the awesomeness of the dangerous gun being
pointed directly at the viewing audience.
b. Gently pull the hammer back so the cylinder slowly revolves (turns) showing the
dangerous bullets ready to head toward the viewer.
c. Release the hammer to enhance the terror of the bullet coming directly toward the
viewer.
d. Err… how do you release the hammer? Someone presses the trigger.

2. Ergo…. The cinematographer instructed her own death….

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^I can see that desperate explanation being used or one like it. I can see a scenario where people ignorant of how a single action revolver works could be fooled by a claim that is obviously false to those who do know those firearms. Either way Baldwin is responsible as the shooter and the head honcho. He ran the show. He fired the gun. All roads lead to Rome.

Baldwin was doing what a lot of morons do with guns they think are unloaded - point them at people and pretend to shoot them. Because, you know, it's a joke. Bang bang, you're dead, ha ha. Except...

When I was a kid, one of my friend's dads had hunting rifles on wall racks in their basement. Most of us didn't mess with them.

The one kid that always picked them up and pointed them at the rest of us was the kid with the anti-gun mom who did't allow him to have any toy guns. "Don't point that at us" we said. "It isn't loaded" he said. Now he's pretty far left and posted at article that said Kyle Rittenhouse and everyone that supports him is "evil".

Anyway, I think finger on the trigger while cocking the hammer is most likely. Many, if not most, non-gun people aways rest their finger on the trigger, usually as far through the trigger guard as they can get it (like down to the second joint). Every single movie that doesn't have well trained actors has stupid shit like reloading a DA revolver, cocking the hammer, and resting finger on trigger, then walking down the hallway looking for the bad guy.

And with regard to criminal charges I don't think Baldwin will get any. But there is huge civil liability - personally and as producer.

As much as we say he should have followed the safety rules and checked the revolver, he may very well not even know the difference between a dummy round and a live round. He is morally responsible. But as much as we'd like him to be charged, movie sets have armorers for a reason. Actors have to interact with a ton of stuff they don't have a clue about, and professionals are supposed to be there to ensure safety.

The Armorer is criminally negligent for letting live rounds on the set, not controlling access to the revolvers, and not following proper chain of custody. They should have been under lock and key any time they were not in her sight, and checked by her before transfer to anyone else, under her direct supervision.

Some new info.

BREAKING: Search Warrant Is Issued For Alec Baldwin's Phone Weeks After Fatal Shooting Of Cinematographer On Rust Set

Police in New Mexico have issued a search warrant for Alec Baldwin's phone, after the fatal October 21 shooting of cinematographer Halyna Hutchins on the set of his film, Rust.

Baldwin, 63, had been handed an antique pistol for the scene, and was told that it was 'cold' - not loaded.

He was rehearsing a scene in which he pulls out his gun and, in an interview with ABC on December 2, said that he never pulled the trigger, but the gun went off anyway.

Hutchins, a 42-year-old cinematographer, was shot and killed. The director of the film, Joel Souza, was shot in the shoulder and survived.

It is unclear why New Mexico police want to seize Baldwin's phone now. The actor has insisted that he has fully cooperated with the investigation.


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/ne...ooting-Rust-set.html

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Some new info.


It is unclear why New Mexico police want to seize Baldwin's phone now.

Because, now, he's had enough time to wipe it clean. Like, with a cloth or something.