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Never mind there could be 5 to 20 economic, social, geographicical reasons. Just put it all on historic ans systematic racism. Sigh. I am going to clean rifles today. All of them, i need a shovel also.


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In 1954, the Supreme Court ruled in Brown v. Board of Education that segregated public schools are unconstitutional.

In 2018, on the 64th anniversary of that ruling, a lawsuit filed in New Jersey claimed that state's schools are some of the most segregated in the nation. That's because, the lawsuit alleged, New Jersey school district borders are drawn along municipality lines that reflect years of residential segregation.

The idea that school district borders carry years of history is the premise of a new report from the nonprofit EdBuild, which studies the ways schools are funded in the U.S.

The report starts with a number: $23 billion. According to EdBuild, that's how much more funding predominantly white school districts receive compared with districts that serve mostly students of color.

"For every student enrolled, the average nonwhite school district receives $2,226 less than a white school district," the report says.

EdBuild singles out 21 states — including California, New Jersey and New York — in which mostly white districts get more funding than districts composed primarily of students of color.

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More than half of students in the U.S. go to segregated or "racially concentrated" schools, according to the report. Those are schools in which more than three-quarters of students are white, or more than three-quarters are nonwhite.

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Researchers found that high-poverty districts serving mostly students of color receive about $1,600 less per student than the national average. That's while school districts that are predominately white and poor receive about $130 less.

What's causing the disparity?

As Rebecca Sibilia, founder and CEO of EdBuild, explains, a school district's resources often come down to how wealthy an area is and how much residents pay in taxes.

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"We have built a school funding system that is reliant on geography, and therefore the school funding system has inherited all of the historical ills of where we have forced and incentivized people to live," she says.

Public schools are primarily funded by local and state sources — the federal government pays for less than 10 percent, on average, of K-12 education. States sometimes step in to provide extra funding for districts that need it most. But not all states have been able to keep up with that demand.

The relationship between funding and teacher strikes

In some of the states with the worst funding disparities, teachers have gone on strike in the past year. In Arizona, poor, primarily white school districts get about $19,000 per student — while high-poverty, nonwhite districts get about $8,000, according to EdBuild.

That means high-poverty districts made up of mostly students of color — about a third of the school districts in the state — receive almost $11,000 less per student than the state's high-poverty, predominantly white districts.

Sibilia also points to the #RedForEd movements in Oklahoma and Colorado. Because those states have placed limits on their taxes, she says, they simply don't have the income to step in and fund the school districts that need it most.

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Why funding in Southern states looks more equal

According to EdBuild researchers, predominantly white districts are often smaller than districts with mostly students of color: The former serves an average of just over 1,500 students, and the latter over 10,000, or three times the national average.

That size disparity matters. Sibilia says districts serving mostly students of color "rely more on the decisions that are being made at the state level, but there are fewer voices representing them. And that's where you really start to see the shift in power."

This power dynamic looks different in the South, where school district lines are often drawn along county lines, making districts larger across the board. Researchers found that funding looks more equal in states like Georgia and Alabama.

"This confirms a theory that we've had, which is that the larger the tax base — the larger the actual geography of the school districts — the more you can actually balance out the difference between a wealthy white suburb and a less wealthy rural or urban area," Sibilia says.

EdBuild researchers looked at data from a variety of sources — including the Education Department and the U.S. Census Bureau — to find school system demographics and district funding levels. They compared the funding across districts after taking cost of living into account.

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they can de-fund my kids's school and I wouldn't give a crap.

The other day a bunch of kids at the school were in a classroom talking about starting a business selling some little home-made bead trinkets. You know, kind of like a lemonade stand type of thing, only they sell jewelry that they made. The plan was to get enough money for the class to go to Florida to see Disneyworld. (I know Disney is expensive, but they're little kids). The kids were reprogrammed and convinced to give all the profits to the needy. That pissed me off.

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In Arizona, poor, primarily white school districts get about $19,000 per student


My God that's a lot of money to stick 30 kids in a room in a 50 year old building with a single paid teacher (plus a non-paid student teacher or volunteer teacher's aid, etc.)

That's revenue of over a HALF MILLION PER YEAR for a single classroom. Yet they still want another $20 when they have a field trip. And the school is only open 9 months out of the year.

What in the heck are they doing with all this money? I know pensions, etc. Such as it is I guess.

And they're always crying that they don't have enough volunteers at the school. Take some of that half million per classroom and hire some more people.


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they can de-fund my kids's school and I wouldn't give a crap.

The other day a bunch of kids at the school were in a classroom talking about starting a business selling some little home-made bead trinkets. You know, kind of like a lemonade stand type of thing, only they sell jewelry that they made. The plan was to get enough money for the class to go to Florida to see Disneyworld. (I know Disney is expensive, but they're little kids). The kids were reprogrammed and convinced to give all the profits to the needy. That pissed me off.

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In Arizona, poor, primarily white school districts get about $19,000 per student


My God that's a lot of money to stick 30 kids in a room in a 50 year old building with a single paid teacher (plus a non-paid student teacher or volunteer teacher's aid, etc.)

That's revenue of over a HALF MILLION PER YEAR for a single classroom. Yet they still want another $20 when they have a field trip. And the school is only open 9 months out of the year.

What in the heck are they doing with all this money? I know pensions, etc. Such as it is I guess.

And they're always crying that they don't have enough volunteers at the school. Take some of that half million per classroom and hire some more people.


To your last point. No one is doing the critical thinking like you just did. Even the 8k per student generates a shit ton of money in a 30 student class room over 9 months. Many very good private schools operate on much less per student.
 
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The public education scheme in the US is broken.

So badly broken that I believe we would all be better served if it was simply broken up and discarded into the dustbin of 'bad ideas'.

The costs are astronomical and rising. The benefits and outcomes are declining.

Hell, even the proponents are constantly complaining about how broken it is and the best way out is to give them more money.

I'm sure if I search old JALLEN posts I can find many a wise comment on this situation.

We just have to find the will power and political power to take action.


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Funding discrepancies? Check rural vs. suburban schools. Life’s not fair. Most of us learned that a long time ago.


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What a surprise to see the map of California and all the red/brown zones..funding below avg. CA Teachers Assoc, otherwise known as the teachers union, is the most powerful lobby/special interest group in the state, for all intents they're the king-makers of the state. YET, for all the political power they wield, school spending is below the national avg for many of the metro-areas. I'm gonna guess it has nothing to do with economic desparity, segregation, gerrymandering, district busing..what could it be?
 
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The public education scheme in the US is broken.



I do not consider it broken. I consider it criminally corrupt!

Anyone who works against the outrageous costs of so called public "education" is mercilessly attacked.

Virtually every time some issue involving education comes up the standard excuse it because they don't have enough money, teachers are under paid, yada yada yada.

They recently opened a brand new multi-million dollar school near our house. Huge campus, parking for students and staff covers at least a couple of acres. School buses hauling students into the facility seldom carry more that a trifling few students. A whole fleet of buses into the school in the morning, and students driving to school, block traffic in both directions and right in the middle of rush hour traffic! Rt. 234 is a 4 lane divided highway that is bumper to bumper traffic on any work day, couple that with all those buses trying to turn into the school and nothing less that a MCF ensues.

Not to mention the Olympic size swimming pool and other amenities.

And to the proclamation by NPR that school funding is racist, BS! I do not recall any question, suggestion, idea presented that says my school tax money is allocated based on the race of students. NPR has been a mouthpiece for the ultra-lib morons for decades. Currently along with other ultra-lib groups they are working diligently to do as much damage to this country as possible. If I were in a position to do so, I would instantly stop all funding for so called public radio and associated TV outlets. Our gubbernmint has to be crazy to continue to support with tax money these anti-gubbermint operations.


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Criminally corrupt is a proper term.

It’s a socialist system. They will never have enough money. There will never be accountability.

I’m not sure we could devise a worse system.
 
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The liberal in me says that yes, school funding has been racist for a long time... S.C. is a prime example... but then another part of me says it might have something to do with the tax base in the school district.....


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The liberal in me says that yes, school funding has been racist for a long time... S.C. is a prime example... but then another part of me says it might have something to do with the tax base in the school district.....

And the article says that:

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As Rebecca Sibilia, founder and CEO of EdBuild, explains, a school district's resources often come down to how wealthy an area is and how much residents pay in taxes.

Well DUH.

This is part of what they once tried to "fix" with school busing. I think in Michigan (at one point? Maybe still?) they passed some kind of "revenue sharing" thing where districts surrounding Detroit were obliged to share some of the taxes they collected with Detroit's school system?

These leftists and liberal do-gooders simply don't get it: People will relocate away from areas they feel to be detrimental to their and their families' lives. They'll take their money and, more importantly, their civic-mindedness and law-abiding natures with them, leaving behind the likes of Detroit and other ghetto cities.

Meanwhile, rather than address the real nature of the problem, the government continues to reinforce it, thus perpetuating it.

There will be no change as long as people, and the government they elect, continues to treat the symptoms, rather than the problem. The problem of course being people, their attitudes and their behaviour.

Just like it is with "gun violence."



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Now I understand why all those inner city schools in leftists controlled cities are so defunct. Racism and stuff.




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This article came across our feed on facebook. I have taken a big step back from FB over the last few months. I happened to read the article and noticed one of the posts. It is really what prompted me to post the article here.

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White people need to think more critically about the systems in place that have been built upon racism and oppression. We need to educate ourselves and take action to address and correct the injustices that persist today. We cannot ignore the white privilege that has been written into laws and policy nor how living within this system continues to shape our thoughts and actions. Remember to consistently check your white privilege. Critically think about your thoughts, actions, and the status-quo you accept. Comment any book recommendations, esp my educator friends


I have lived in a few places. CT, OR, WA. OR/WA Teachers Unions and Native casino's are number 1 and number 2 political lobbies in the states. I believe public employee unions were in CT. I have heard this money song and dance since i was in high school. Back then Oregon changed it's statewide funding to even out what each school district received. What happened qas absolute comedy gold. Poorer schools got state money, richer school districts put ballot measures for school funding levies. Reinstating the disparity between the schools. Poorer school districts could not get enough votes in to pass most of the school levies.

Same shit different story. Short of it is, that people want the best education for their kids possible. They will move, relocate, drive further to work, just to make sure little Jimmy ans Suzzie get into a decent school.
 
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Fine, lets stop funding schools at all.


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There is a reason the New Jersey system is called the cartel.

My favorite part is the comparison to the Delaware school system.



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Many of those inner city schools (Newark for one) wouldn't exist if they didn't get a massive inflow of cash from the other towns.

Zuckerburg dropped a hundred million into their school system. the unions and booker's high paid consultant took it all. the kids got nothing.

https://www.salon.com/2014/05/...eem_still_cant_read/

80 percent of my tax bill here in NH is for the school system. A system that has dropping enrollment and a 75 percent graduation rate.


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Money is not the problem.

And why the hell are my taxes still supporting the GDC NPR?!
 
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Detroit Public Schools spend over 13K to educate one student while Northville, a very upscale school district about 25 miles from the city but still in Wayne County spends about 10K to educate one student.

https://www.michigancapitolcon...r-us-urban-districts

Detroit Public Schools have a legacy of theft, corruption and incompetent personnel of over fifty years, hard to break the cycle despite all the attempts and state appointed EFM's. The song remains the same.

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This article came across our feed on facebook. I have taken a big step back from FB over the last few months. I happened to read the article and noticed one of the posts. It is really what prompted me to post the article here.

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White people need to think more critically about the systems in place that have been built upon racism and oppression. We need to educate ourselves and take action to address and correct the injustices that persist today. We cannot ignore the white privilege that has been written into laws and policy nor how living within this system continues to shape our thoughts and actions. Remember to consistently check your white privilege. Critically think about your thoughts, actions, and the status-quo you accept. Comment any book recommendations, esp my educator friends


I have lived in a few places. CT, OR, WA. OR/WA Teachers Unions and Native casino's are number 1 and number 2 political lobbies in the states. I believe public employee unions were in CT. I have heard this money song and dance since i was in high school. Back then Oregon changed it's statewide funding to even out what each school district received. What happened qas absolute comedy gold. Poorer schools got state money, richer school districts put ballot measures for school funding levies. Reinstating the disparity between the schools. Poorer school districts could not get enough votes in to pass most of the school levies.

Same shit different story. Short of it is, that people want the best education for their kids possible. They will move, relocate, drive further to work, just to make sure little Jimmy ans Suzzie get into a decent school.


Bingo.

Parents care for their children and will do anything they can to make sure they have as good or even better life than they did. It's part of evolution.

No kids yet, but I would do anything to advance my kids through life, any good parent would. So yes it comes down to money, it has nothing to do with race. If someone has the means to leave a bad school and move to somewhere that has a better school, it's as simple as that. That leads to flight of the tax base that supports the Schools. Those that can't afford to leave are stuck with a dwindling pool of money to spend on students, the suburbs get a windfall because the more affluent move there, more even nicer (higher tax) homes are built on larger plots of land. It's simple economics. Suburbs have lower population density, lower number of children to adults, and a higher revenue stream. Inevitably you end up spending more per pupil.

This is why public schools are destined to fail. No matter how much you try to socialize it people will find a way to advance their children, period. Get rid of public schools, give everyone vouches on a needs based system. You are poor, then a decent education is covered, if you are poor but willing to forgo stuff for yourself, then your kid gets to go to a good school. If you have money then you have all options available, from crappy school at zero cost above current taxing.to ivy league level elementary if you want to pay over voucher amounts.

Our schools are failing and budgets going crazy due to inefficiency and pension costs. Example #792 why the government is not the best/most efficient provider of services. Think about it this way. If a law was passed mandating all fast food restaurants would be government run, dou you think you could still get a double cheeseburger that cost $2? Nope, that double cheeseburger would cost $10, and you'd have to wait in line for 45 minutes to get one and pray that they didn't run out of their allotment of cheeseburgers before your number was called.

Get the damn government out of anything possible. They are good for very few things. Short of national defense, interstate trade, and securing our borders I can't think of one service I rather buy from the government over making a purchase decision myself.



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More than just pension costs. School district in our previous community had some explosive growth during the fifteen years we lived there. Common sense did not reign.

For example they opened a new middle school, our oldest daughter attended it. Upon the open house we saw all of the classrooms and hallways carpeted. One of the school administrators was assigned each group of parents as a guide. I specifically asked why and was given a dog and pony show of how it made it more comfortable for students, less noise, all a bunch of garbage and I called it out as such. Higher maintenance, dust and dirt, wear, slob middle schoolers, etc. I was told that I was looking at it wrong and if given the chance the middle school students would prove they were up to the task of keeping it clean.

One year later the local paper had an article explaining that the carpeting was being removed due to maintenance concerns and replaced with vinyl flooring. Imagine that!

Following year the district sponsored a bond issue for computers and new school facilities as they made a deal with an adjacent district to "give" several new residential developments including apartments to our district which suddenly did not have the room for the influx of new students. Well, the building portion passed, we got a new elementary school out of it approximately one mile from the first new one that was built near us. And guess who's taxes jumped.

The technology part failed,district open house (another one a year later) lobbied hard to buy all the computers despite a lower bid that came in for leasing as the district felt despite the quick obsolescence cycle in the early to mid 90's of computers they wanted to own their own. Well, after the district lost that part of the election they announced that they were able to lease computers together with tech assistance for a savings over owning their equipment and staffing an IT department. Again, imagine that.

In the late 1980's a friend worked as a bus mechanic. They were under scrutiny and cost cutting at his facility. But the school district could contract out to lease plants for the school offices and the board of education offices to the tune of 100k per year. In my days in school if administrators wanted a plant they brought their own in and watered it themselves. Again, imagine that.


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Gone are the days when teachers wanted to teach. Now they're in it for the money and benefits. Teaching is secondary. Of I realize this is a generalization. We all look for jobs with perks but teachers get much more.

Anyway I am sure Newark, Camden and the like get a lot of money from the feds.
To me public schools are a sham. Always asking for new computers as an example. Why would third grade need new computers? Every new school year the new third graders are learning the same basic stuff. This is just an example of course but I am trying to point out the waste of the public system.

Schools should be privatized but regulated and accountable. People that can't afford it can get aid in various ways. The beauty is that once your done with school no more paying.



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