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Well, if you think about it, "Two Shoes Mambo Factory" kinda works, too. It's just obscure enough to appeal to the last few urban hipsters out there. | |||
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I agree in part and don’t agree. I would like to illustrate my view with some personal experience. In the late 80s I graduated from the International Institute of Human Rights (Institut International des Droits de l’Homme) in Strasbourg, France, having completed two residencies and successfully passed their three day exam before various experts in international organizations/Human Rights. My oral panel had the Director of the International Committee of the Red Cross. My 24 hour practical test was before the actual Secretary of the Human Rights Commission under the European Convention. There were many others, too. The diplôme at the time was a matter of International news and I, along with only four other graduates that year out of about 100 sitting for the exams, were plastered all over the news outlets on TV and in the press in Europe. International mechanisms for cooperation are important in Europe - perhaps because their individual power is quite limited. At that time, I was also completing studies in an International Seminar and Theology and Law. I defended my Thesis to also graduate from that program at the same time. My thesis was about the history of the separation of church and state in the United States while contrasting European models of separation/integration. I was more than a casual observer of what was happening in Europe at the time. In the 80s , the Europeans were talking about creating the European Union. The process was fraught with the age old issue plaguing efforts to create superstructures over member state organizations: order and disorder. Too much of either and problems arise. Indeed, Brexit is a reaction to too much order being imposed from Brussels. I am not opposed to the U.N. Quite the contrary. But, there are forces that tend to tear at a superstructure organization. Some want such organizations to be just a bit stronger/bigger so they can do more good (in their own eyes). Corruption is always also present. But, staying with the good intentioned folks for just now, there are those who want to bloat a mission which also bloats expenses. There are those who want to bloat to gain power and domination. There are other forces that want to keep such organizations lean and focused. In some ways such opposing forces, to me, are never reconciled. It is just a constant battle. I see it applying to our struggle with Obama bloating our own administrative state. Along comes President Trump and he sees administrative bloat as a negative and something to be curtailed. For all the problems of the United Nations, though, he selects Nikki Haley and uses the United Nations to seek coordinated sanctions, for instance, against North Korea to help the world avoid nuclear proliferation. He also coordinates other conversations through the U.N. This, to me, is a good and intended use of the U.N. Going back to the 80’s when I graduated, I remember the last speaker at the plenary session of the International Institute of Human Rights make a passionate argument for why the United Nations should become, some day, the one world government for mankind. He was not universally lauded. In fact, when I walked out with my friends around me I said, “May it never be.” There are those who see the U.N. as a future one world government but there are others who keep its original mission in mind. If the U.N. had been originally proposed as a new one world government, it would have never made it off the chalk board. Many people remember the U.N.’s mission to serve the interests of the member states – people like Bolton, Trump and Haley. The U.N. needs to have discipline in its work and use. As one example, I was pleased to see that Nikki Haley nominated David Beasley, former governor of South Carolina, to head the U.N.’s World Food Program. Mr. Beasley is a friend of mine from the 80s when I met him and his wife while daily studying together in the Theology and Law program as well as the International Institute of Human Rights in Strasbourg. He was in the critical audience of my thesis defense as well. I know something of his philosophy. He is a focused man. There are various YouTube videos with Mr. Beasley talking of his mission as an executive director under the U.N. One thing you will see is his determination that U.N. food relief gets delivered to the needy instead of lost in the black market or distributed to further terrorist interests. To me, food relief is a laudable international goal but it takes people in key positions to keep the program on track. Alas, I am not sure all U.N. programs are administered with such vigor and care. Yet, there are still problems. So, another truth about organizations is born out in the U.N. Its programs are only as focused as the people who are administering and carrying out the intended mandates. With insiders wanting to make a world government out of it, the U.N needs constant supervision and course correction. Perhaps Ambassador Haley is just the person for such a mission. Some of the people at the International Institute from the 120+ countries involved hoped their studies would help rescue themselves from their own countries to land a cushy U.N. salary. I suppose no one could blame them but the U.N. was not created as an aid organization for a load of bureaucratic jobs and structures. The process to lean the programs will undoubtedly be uncomfortable but those who want a one world government out of them will be sorely disappointed because the United States under this president will demand a U.N. that sticks to its proper role and function. No matter how much it claims poverty, the U.N. is wielding a lot of funds and once put back on its proper course, I suspect that it will need less money. May it never have enough support or funds to take on an active role as a world government. That thought should rest squarely in the failed wing of the Obama/Soros library. _______________________________ NRA Life Member NRA Certified Range Safety Officer | |||
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I have had extensive experience with UN WFP, and let me tell you they are some of the most elitist, self serving and corrupt organization I have ever worked with. In Somalia, for example, just when local farmers are ready to harvest bananas for export, WFP purposefully floods the market, to keep them dependent. This happens in Ethiopia, S. Sudan, Nigeria, etc. Also, tell me why some person from Sierra Leone who is based at the mission at the UN is making 1,000 times more than he would in his own country? I've spoken at the UN and the prevailing attitude that anything is acceptable because "we are helping people" is disgusting. _____________________________ Off finding Galt's Gulch | |||
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Maybe they can get Sally Struthers to do one of those whiny assed plea-mercials begging for money. She hasn't done one of those in a while. ___________________________ Not giving a damn since...whenever... | |||
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All they really mean is that they are down to the last few millions and they are getting nervous. I doubt they've done a thing to curtail overhead, no layoffs, so I doubt it's as dire as all that. He really needs some 3rd world kids with the big eyes and rice belly to make his point. ************* MAGA | |||
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Interesting read, the bloat is something all agencies suffer. I have seen UN "troops" and if they are the ones that are going to impose a "NWO" I am not overly concerned. Most run at the first shot and the others are too busy trying to rape the local populace to be a real martial threat. I do agree they need to find a new home, they need to move to a "needy" country.... | |||
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Mr. Beasley is just getting started so it will be interesting to see how reforms take hold. Before President Trump, there were a lot of agencies that needed serious correction. Some institutions are so thoroughly corrupted that withdrawl is the only answer. Indeed, Nikky Haley took this withdrawl action last month: "For too long," Haley said, "the Human Rights Council has been a protector of human rights abusers, and a cesspool of political bias." "Based in Geneva, the Human Rights Council is a body of 47 member states within the United Nations tasked with upholding human rights." The United States "only joined in 2009 under President Barack Obama, and won re-election to the council in 2012. But human rights groups voiced fresh complaints about the body in 2013, after China, Russia, Saudia Arabia, Algeria and Vietnam were elected members." Link Maybe withdrawl is the future fate of the WFP. But, strong leadership is now there for change. "We will see what happens" is an often heard phrase from President Trump. In another example, withdrawl from the Paris Climate Agreement saw through the creation of some U.N. slush funding by the Obama administration. "The Paris agreement also created a United Nations climate slush fund, largely underwritten by American taxpayers. In his final year in office, President Obama contributed $500 million from the State Department to this fund on two separate occasions. He did it without authorization from Congress." Link Maybe, you will see some WFP changes with your contacts over time. With President Trump, you either perform or get the oust as a leader. Nickki Haley seems performance-oriented as well. If our money can be more effectively deployed in another way, it seems likely that it will be under this president. _______________________________ NRA Life Member NRA Certified Range Safety Officer | |||
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I was actually thinking of Yemen for all the above reasons. Plus it is closer to many of the deabdeat nations... ------------------ Eddie Our Founding Fathers were men who understood that the right thing is not necessarily the written thing. -kkina | |||
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As with all socialistic organizations, the UN serves self first under the guise of serving the people. "Liberty lies in the hearts of men and women. When it dies there, no constitution, no law, no court can save it....While it lies there, it needs no constitution, no law, no court to save it" - Judge Learned Hand, May 1944 | |||
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I think not. No UN in NYC; no diplomatic immunity. They'd be gone faster than roaches in daylight.
I've said it before. Jerusalem for the win! Every other administration has gotten rolled when the UN has come to us hat in hand. I bet Trump won't play ball. Harshest Dream, Reality | |||
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If you give elitists a soapbox to stand on, they’ll take the opportunity. And as with any elitists, they’d like to impose their views on the rest of society with little or no input from the people they claim to represent. As with any other socialists, they rely on the more affluent members to pay for their grandiose promises, all the while taking credit for all the wonderful gifts they’ve bestowed on the minions they rule over. If you quit feeding the beast, you’ve essentially rendered it useless and unable to fend for itself. Socialism has been tried countless amount of times worldwide and the result is always the same. Why countries keep sending their money to prop up this monolith is beyond my understanding. | |||
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A couple of times now have posts referred to the U.N. as "socialist." In what way? Socialism has a few definitions as can be found in the dictionary HERE. The U.N. is not socialist, seemingly, in any of those ways. It's not socialist in the sense of Viktor Afanasev's Fundamentals of Scientific Communism. It's not socialist in the way of Marx' philosophy. If socialism describes everything it describes nothing discernible. Or, so it seems to me. If "spending other people's money" is the definition, it does not seem to define socialism. That definition is just a catch phrase. Maybe that is what is meant? Again, that's just what seems to me. Is there something that defines the U.N. as socialism? The Democrats as a whole have no idea what socialism is and it makes them look pitiful. I am not up on all the vernacular these days so what does socialism mean to you for those who have used it to describe the U.N. - if you are of a mind to share? Admittedly, I am not hitting on all cylinders because of medicine so I may be just missing it. Thanks. _______________________________ NRA Life Member NRA Certified Range Safety Officer | |||
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tubetone: thanks for an informative & rather optimistic essay on UNism, whatever it may be. **************~~~~~~~~~~ "I've been on this rock too long to bother with these liars any more." ~SIGforum advisor~ "When the pain of staying the same outweighs the pain of change, then change will come."~~sigmonkey | |||
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signewt, The U.N. has grown be be an off-course, gross behemoth. Personally, I believe that if it is reigned-in to its original core function, it has usefulness. Indeed, President Trump and Nickki Haley have used it as a place of coordination and discussion. The Paris Climate debacle, to me, was the one worlder's funding wet dream come true. The U.N. bought a big building, started hiring and saw the United States debasing our economy for as far as the eye could see. Without funding, the U.N. can't make any grand leap. It needs to be disciplined. As the United States may back off of funding, the core function is what is left. BTW, I am not for placing US forces under U.N. command - never was. The core function is found in the U.N. Charter and the aspirations stated in its creation. The Universal Declaration of Human Rights in its first generation is a good look, too. The U.N. has strayed off course. _______________________________ NRA Life Member NRA Certified Range Safety Officer | |||
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tubetone, The UN will never be reigned in to its original core function. There is too much money to be had being the world's bully pulpit against national sovereignty and independence. And it's not just WFP, its High Commission on Refugees-the biggest illegal migration operation on earth, UN Development Projects-that squanders billions on projects that have zero oversight, and numerous peacekeeping missions like AMISOM and UNMISS where the poorest of nations like Burundi, Uganda, Sierra Leone sent troops so they can collect a global wage. I've met nearly every general from these countries in Somalia and S.Sudan and when you can become a millionaire on a peacekeeping mission, things are very wrong. Don't get me started on UN Women and their human trafficking activities. Go to the UN massive campuses in Geneva, Rome and Nairobi and you will see they make the Olympic Committee or FIFA look like amateurs in spending. _____________________________ Off finding Galt's Gulch | |||
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Oh one last thing, because I'm really trying to be on a path to less hate and discontent. Remember the last ebola outbreak? I was on the ground in Sierra Leone when that was happening. UN WHO and other NGOs were all saying how they were getting chased out of rural villages because the locals didn't want their help. Reality: WHO and NGOs were letting people die to raise body count to get more funding and then wanted to go back and "help". Truly evil. _____________________________ Off finding Galt's Gulch | |||
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Don't hold back, please elaborate and let us know. While I appreciate the UN and it's core mission, clearly things have strayed and there needs to be some house cleaning and purpose re-evaluation. At it's most corrupt, I've always viewed the UN as a vehicle for either: a) an income stream for 3rd world countries that are riff with corruption and incompetence. Utilizing their militaries to 'participate in missions' is the easiest and cheapest option for most of these countries or, b) the post-monarchical structure for aspiring aristocratic-types. Too often you find academics and political figures moving to the UN and taking on roles of making demands and dictating to other countries (see US) on what they should do within their own ideas of utopia. | |||
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1/ Um, no it’s not a GOOD look! No where in its entirety does it state that basic human rights come from GOD! No where. In fact, although those UN declared rights, formulated in 1948, sound good and just and right please see the clause below from its Article 29, sec. C, part 3: (3) These rights and freedoms may in no case be exercised “contrary” to the purposes and principles of the United Nations. In other words, if the U.N. don’t like it, it’s on! 2/ No head of the U.N. has ever been from a country other than a socialist or socialist leaning country, and most with an anti-American point of view. 3/ Pls note the sculpture of the twisted gun barrel that resides in front of the U.N.headquarters in NY, There’s a reason for that. link for your perusal: https://www.roadsideamerica.com/story/26878 4/ “”In the late 80s I graduated from the International Institute of Human Rights (Institut International des Droits de l’Homme) in Strasbourg, France, having completed two residencies and successfully passed their three day exam before various experts in international organizations/Human Rights”” @tubetone: There in lies the crux of your problem with your world view. You were indoctrinated, it all sounds just grand, you bought it all. Your accomplishments aside, you were in Europe, feasting off those with their heads continuously thrust up their asses. Just as an aside and for shits and giggles, look up Agenda 21, for which the U.N. is also to blame. Blimey, au revoir, I think I’m done. | |||
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