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I'm 71 so I have seen a lot of Christmas's come and go.
I know that Christmas has been severely edited from any religious demonstrations over the years.
Now I seem to see that even the standard Christmas characters seem to be being replaced with more Halloween looking decorations that take an evil look to them.

Does anybody else see this, or is it time I should I check into a home.
 
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Nope, not your imagination. It has long been the strategy to attack the Church...and the family.


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Flash back 1000 years. A group of Germanic tribesmen sit around a fire: "I'm 71 winters old, and have seen a lot of Yules come and go. I know that Yule has been severely edited over the years. Now it seems that even the standard Yule decorations seem to have been replaced with more Christian looking decorations..."


Flash back 1000 more years. A group of Romans sits around a fire: "I'm LXXI years old, and have seen a lot of winter solstices come and go. I know the solstice celebration has been severely edited over the years. Now it seems..."


Flash back to a bunch of prehistoric dudes at Stonehenge...


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I believe the change you see is to make Christmas a generic holiday, open to everyone of any religion or none, that is all buying and gifting. Especially the buying part. Spend spend spend. No Jesus required by Mega-mart


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Christmas???

Or is it National Retailers Sell A Lot Of Crap And Advertise Heavily So You Can Go Into Credit Card Debt Buying Crap For People You Don't Want To But You're Expected To Holiday?

I love Christmas. I detest the commercial holiday.
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Our family hangs out, bullshitting, eating, and laughing. Exchanging gifts is secondary at best. We do remember why Christmas is celebrated.
 
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Yep- I’ve seen a couple of Santa’s in the neighborhood dressed up as Santa Muerte. It kinda shocked me. But, I guess it’s the way the population is going.


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For christians Christmas has become secularized by focusing on the symbols rather than the subject. It is for that reason I have withdrawn from commercial Christmas. I have refocused on Christ and His mission. For others who celebrate different holidays concurrently, I suspect there is a similar dissolution or disintegration from the original significance via commercialism etc. Seems like a natural cycle of culture. Things evolve. Most times they suffer some degree of entropy. Only way to resist seems to be repetition of message…….and symbols. Which brings us back around.



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Yep- I’ve seen a couple of Santa’s in the neighborhood dressed up as Santa Muerte. It kinda shocked me. But, I guess it’s the way the population is going.


Santa Muerte is a saint for a holy death.
Has nothing to do with Christmas or any holiday.
 
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Now I seem to see that even the standard Christmas characters seem to be being replaced with more Halloween looking decorations that take an evil look to them.

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Yep- I’ve seen a couple of Santa’s in the neighborhood dressed up as Santa Muerte. It kinda shocked me. But, I guess it’s the way the population is going.


Are ya'll sure you aren't just seeing Jack Skellington? He's a beloved character from Tim Burton's 1993 animated Halloween/Christmas crossover musical "The Nightmare Before Christmas".

(It's a kid's movie. Basically, Santa gets kidnapped, so the crew that's normally in charge of Halloween decides to handle Christmas too. Misunderstandings and hilarity and song-and-dance numbers ensue.)

It's 30 years old, and all the kids who grew up watching it are now middle-aged adults with disposable income, so there's been a resurgence in related Christmas decorations to cater to that demographic group's collective nostalgia for the popular holiday film from their childhood.

 
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In the past 20 years or so, I've definitely seen it become more commercialized. It's all about spending and shopping.


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Leftists despise Christ, and the true meaning of Christmas. Tuat's why hollywood does everything possible to de-Christ-ify Christmas.

I loathe the 'Nightmare Before Christmas' movie, as it drags the wicked parts of halloween into Christmas. It is just a depraved movie, IMO.

I also hate the movie based on Bill O'Reilly's book (well, his name is on the cover) 'Killing Jesus.' It ends with Jesus still in the tomb, but with text that 'some claim He rose from the dead.' Ok, I realize this is an 'Easter' movie, but it's the same phenomenon). By denying Christ was ressurected, it 'demotes' Him to the 'good man/teacher' myth that any haters of Christianity cling to.



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I mean, if the movie involved a dancing and singing Satan-worshipping skeleton kidnapping Baby Jesus, you might have a point.

But it's a fully secular movie about a fully secular crossover between fully secular Halloween (pumpkins/skeletons/candy/trick-or-treats) and fully secular Christmas (Santa/reindeer/trees/presents/et al). Not a whiff of Christianity involved from either end.
 
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I agree with Hound Dog



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I believe the change you see is to make Christmas a generic holiday, open to everyone of any religion or none, that is all buying and gifting. Especially the buying part. Spend spend spend. No Jesus required by Mega-mart

Totally agree. I’m sure the percentage is extremely high for the under 10 year olds who have no idea it’s anything other than you suggest.


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All holidays regardless of type, background, or validity have been commercialized for maximum profit. You only have to walk into any store and see the next one being advertised 2 months in advance.




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Flash back 1000 years. A group of Germanic tribesmen sit around a fire: "I'm 71 winters old, and have seen a lot of Yules come and go. I know that Yule has been severely edited over the years. Now it seems that even the standard Yule decorations seem to have been replaced with more Christian looking decorations..."


Flash back 1000 more years. A group of Romans sits around a fire: "I'm LXXI years old, and have seen a lot of winter solstices come and go. I know the solstice celebration has been severely edited over the years. Now it seems..."


Flash back to a bunch of prehistoric dudes at Stonehenge...


Big Grin

So it was. So shall it ever be. Human cultures, including holiday traditions, are ever evolving over time. And cultural changes speed up exponentially with each new generation as an effect of technology's similar rapid pace.
Well done. Big Grin

Personally, I’m one of those guys that think if there was an actual war on xmas, it should be led from the pulpit and fought by the church membership.
 
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Just wondering if the "x" instead of Christ in Christmas is also a war? Just asking...


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Our family hangs out, bullshitting, eating, and laughing. Exchanging gifts is secondary at best. We do remember why Christmas is celebrated.


Same here. We love hanging out, eating and just enjoying friends and family. No gifts.


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Christmas???

Or is it National Retailers Sell A Lot Of Crap And Advertise Heavily So You Can Go Into Credit Card Debt Buying Crap For People You Don't Want To But You're Expected To Holiday?

I love Christmas. I detest the commercial holiday.
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Same. I’ve called it “Consumer product bonanza holiday season” for over a decade. To me it’s about Christ. I mean I don’t even need the holiday to focus on him as it’s done many times a day, every single day, every day of the year, every year, etc, etc. But I do remember Christ helping the people that the mainstream left behind so the point of Christmas is perhaps to help those in need, and those you don’t know. I’ve traditionally done that too up until this nasty virus put a stop to it.

What do I see people actually doing? Using the holiday as an excuse for gluttony. Stuffing their guts, incessantly. Going out to eat or making elaborate food, desserts, whatever. Eating so much they need a nap because their bodies cannot process it. And buying anything and everything they can get their hands on. So in reality it’s just an excuse for them to blow money. They do it every year. They get to the end of the year and say fuck it. Fuck our budget, fuck everything! Let’s buy stuff, lets go out to eat, lets burn fuel and go to the stores and get in the mix. Fuck it, we’ll just charge it all. Then I have to deal with the aftermath of a bunch of cranky mother fuckers at work mid January. They come in after the holidays on this unnatural high. Within a week or two, they are all miserable as fuck because those credit card bills rolled in. They have burnt up all their time off so no days off for months. They are broke as shit, and in deep debt. Many spend the year living tight, only to do it all over again the following December. This is why I usually save my PTO for mid January and leave for 2 weeks. I don’t want to deal with a whole office and staff of assholes being assholes. They don’t want to work, and are as moody as a tot whose lots all its sweets.

And meanwhile, people are not focused on Christ. They are focused on them and theirs. The streets and highways are such a mess for over a month that I just stay home the entire time, like a hermit. Only leaving to get groceries, go to the gym, and nothing else unless something breaks on the property or something I have to deal with on the spot.

It’s my least favorite time of the year. I look forward to the season being over. I usually save the end of January on the calendar for things like clothes shopping if I need them. Everywhere is a ghost town, traffic is nil, and moving around is the easiest it is all year because all these mother fuckers are pissed, broke as fuck, and stuck at home.

But I always remember Christ. Every day is a gift, a blessing, every meal is a gift and blessing and I tell the father this every single day, 5-6 times a day. I don’t need a holiday to do it. The marketing of Christmas has ruined the whole thing for me permanently.



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