I don't care. I am telling you the truth. Diagnose it all you like. It changes nothing.

When discussing an organization, it does not matter if 99% of the employees are good...if the 1% at the top is corrupt. Leadership drives the organizational culture, sets priorities, and makes the final decisions.

So, with organizational leadership, there is no logical fallacy in deciding the specific few being bad can be generalized to the whole organization...if the few are the ones in charge.

Tomorrow the "memo" gets released. Hints are that we will all be thinking less of the FBI when we read it. I think I mostly know what it will say, and can't imagine that my opinion of them will go much lower. Not much room down there for it to drop more. Yet I know there are plenty of good folks in the agency, super qualified and honorable. But interfering with elections - making that assumption - is a 3rd world shithole move that is literally Treason. I just don't understand how they don't face prosecution for it.

Apropos nothing, while back at the 100 yard rifle range there were 2 young FBI agents shooting rifles. (People are looking younger and younger to me). They were amazing shots. I shot expert in the army and also target shot so I've seen a lot of solid shooters. These guys, seemed like good dudes, and they were certainly great shots: getting multiple cloverleaf groups, and only multiple cloverleaf groups. Later I was left wondering if one of them was the one who shot at Finicum and then lied about it. Why would you lie about that?

If we find solid evidence in the memos or other discoveries that there was collusion to subvert the election or some other treasonous behavior, there had better be heads rolling. If they are tolerated or otherwise allowed to ease out of legal consequence and the rank and file do not revolt, I will know their principles have been corrupted and can never again be trusted. I already suspect many have allegiance to a paycheck rather than the constitution and their oath to it.

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Thats the real issue, will there be real consequences. If people get a slap on the wrist, or are allowed to retire, this whole thing will repeat itself once democrats are back in power. I mean why not? Nothing happens if you are found out. Look at the IRS scandal. Nothing happened there. You can bet your ass the dems will be weaponizing that institution again soon as they can.

This scandal is huge, and it requires huge consequences to be levied against those responsible. If not it will be the new normal.

I suspect when this is over Congress will put more teeth in Intelligence Oversight

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Originally posted by arlen:
The FBI has been a tool of the head of the bureau since the 1950s. Hoover was power hungry and had the scoop on all leaders of our government.

The FBI is STILL a tool. That makes the department a very dangerous agency. It will never change. It has become our KGB.

Given the massive advances in the capabilities of electronic surveillance - sadly I see this as being true. Not mere hyperbole.

We used to say : take off your 'tin-foil'. That is reality.

Remember the late 90s movie : 'Enemy of the State' ? I watched that 20 years and was 'No Way!'.

Nowadays much of that is 'Yes Way!'.

All it takes is a few 'bad actors' in the organization and the rot begins.

And those who say the 'rank and file' are good people - you have the hostage getting killed recently by the FBI hostage-'rescue' team in Texas. Not an endorsement of professionalism by any benchmark.

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Tomorrow the "memo" gets released. Hints are that we will all be thinking less of the FBI when we read it.

Impossible to think less of the FBI than I do now.

How could anyone have ever had faith in the FBI?

An organization, who's director was feared by every representative for over 50years is absurd.

J Edgar Hoover left this legacy, it should have been disbanded and re-organized after he died... cause no-one had the balls to go up against him.

Instant political suicide.

It was a lot easier when the adversary were generally regarded as such by unanimous consent, the communists, the mob, kidnappers, bank robbers. Those groups have few lobbyists and fewer supporters in Congress. Everybody could work on enforcing the laws without to much intenal push back, except the odd guy who turned for what he thought was career enhancement, like the guys handling Whitey Bulger.

Turning them into the dirty tricks arm of a political campaign was very creative, very Clintonian indeed.

What we really needed was undercover agents infiltrating the God Damned Commies, like the good old days.

Peter Schweitzers new book is out concerning the extensive corruption in the FBI. https://www.americanthinker.co..._at_fbi_and_doj.html

Here's the first and last paragraphs of John Dale Dunns review:

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The FBI and the DOJ have gone to the Dark Side. Amazing, considering their longstanding promotion of their status and posture for decades as the defenders of freedom and the American way – but times change, and the deep Deep State has no special affection for the America conceived of and promoted by the founders.

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Read it. I was outraged and enraged and then some to read about the nature of the FBI and the DOJ. Shame on them. And I don't excuse the field agents and those who claim innocence. They know what the problems are. They are bureaucrats, and as bureaucrats, their first priority is protecting themselves and their pensions.

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Originally posted by CPD SIG:
I have some serious problems with an agency who's infamous boss was a dress wearing, closeted fag. But that's my opinion...

When you put that way I think I'm coming around to your point of view Well said.

I don't trust them now and never will. If somehow they got rid of the bad apples more would fall from the tree later on. I would never talk to them without Jallen present.

three lawyers and 4 tape recorders (and video just to make them squirm)

I've not seen anything in the last year to change my mind on the truthfulness or desire to ever be a real alw enforcement agency again - I rank them below the ATF and tax stamp thugs