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Originally posted by Strambo:
Healthy cooking oils are: olive, coconut, avocado and I believe there are a few more healthy ones, but I just use these.

Bad oils are the vegetable oils, canola, soybean etc. Basically, the oils used in 99% of processed foods and fryers.

In animal fat, ideally you want a good Omega 6 to Omega 3 ratio. Omega 3's are better. Grass fed, cage free, free-range type meats and eggs have a way better ratio like 2/1 Omega 6 to 3 whereas the typical meat could be more like 4/1.

I rarely splurge for the good stuff, but ideally grass fed beef, cage free eggs and something I do do, I only buy wild caught seafood as opposed to the farmed stuff pumped full of antibiotics.

The fats in nuts and seeds and avocados and coconuts are healthy.

In addition to this, fat from wild fish......salmon, tuna, swordfish, etc.... Farm raised seafood is horrible and horrible for you, I second that!

Is farmed seafood better than none? I don’t disagree that Wild is much better for you- as a matter of fact, I remember getting into an argument back in the late 80’s early 90’s with a guy who was telling me how great farmed fishing was going to be, but the way we take care of our oceans and the wild populations, things are a bit iffy..last few times I dove in Mexico, there were no big groupers left, and the local guides told me they’d been fished out. Was just in the Cayman’s where the reefs were beautiful, and a transplant divemaster from FL said the reefs were dead off the FL coast (pollution, etc).
I love my seafood. I seriously think I could live on it. But as I don’t think guac is unhealthy simply because it has added ingredients , I’m not sure I think farmed seafood is “horrible”. I suspect fish farmers are monitoring the levels of antibiotic use, etc, and the levels of crowding, just as any farmer would. If they have a flow through system, the water would typically be cleaned/filtered. Not saying I wouldn’t prefer wildcaught every time, but, are farmed fish oils that bad? Are we saying that because fat sequesters toxins? I’m genuinely curious.

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Astaxanthin is an excellent antioxidant – the only one that I know of that passes the blood-retinal barrier (helps prevent macular degeneration). Astaxanthin is found in very few foods – shrimp, salmon, and trout. But much more in wild trout than farmed trout.

Bad: seed oils. Cottonseed, rapeseed, etc.

Good: Fish oils (wild caught, some farm raised are ok but is hard to distinguish)
Grass fed beef, butter, creams, cheeses, and tallow.

Pork fat is not as bad as they want you to believe.

Olive, coconut, avocado.

The key is to not eat these in addition to what you are eating, but use this to replace what you are eating.

If you eat this in addition to processed carbohydrates, high fructose corn syrup, sugar in general, they won’t do much for your overall health.

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Originally posted by irreverent:
Is farmed seafood better than none? I don’t disagree that Wild is much better for you- as a matter of fact, I remember getting into an argument back in the late 80’s early 90’s with a guy who was telling me how great farmed fishing was going to be, but the way we take care of our oceans and the wild populations, things are a bit iffy..last few times I dove in Mexico, there were no big groupers left, and the local guides told me they’d been fished out. Was just in the Cayman’s where the reefs were beautiful, and a transplant divemaster from FL said the reefs were dead off the FL coast (pollution, etc).
I love my seafood. I seriously think I could live on it. But as I don’t think guac is unhealthy simply because it has added ingredients , I’m not sure I think farmed seafood is “horrible”. I suspect fish farmers are monitoring the levels of antibiotic use, etc, and the levels of crowding, just as any farmer would. If they have a flow through system, the water would typically be cleaned/filtered. Not saying I wouldn’t prefer wildcaught every time, but, are farmed fish oils that bad? Are we saying that because fat sequesters toxins? I’m genuinely curious.

Due to many factors,I would say YES, mainly their diet of dry dog food or treated sewage, overcrowded in dirty water, etc. Farmed raised fish is low in the good fats (Omega 3) and very high in the bad fats (Omega 6). They're also very high in PCB's and generally have a high amount of heavy metals in them (lead, Cadmium etc.

Bottom line, you're better off eating a chicken breast than farm raised fish.

This video should seal the deal for most people!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RzK-8qFKm1Q

As a former commercial fisherman, and a current Yacht Captain for the past 20 years, yes some areas are fished out. This is mainly due to people catching and keeping fish that are way too small. Think keeping a grouper that has enough meat on it for 1 sandwich size, and they have no chance to reproduce. Commercial fishing is somewhat self managing as commercial fisherman generally focus on one or two species. Let's use Grouper......if the Grouper stocks get low, then a lot of commercial fisherman get out of grouper fishing in that area because it's no longer profitable, then they switch to something else.

sardines, kippers, and salmon don't have the high mercury content like the larger, longer living fish - like tuna and swordfish.

this video has good info. he talks about the proliferation of soy oil.

29:26 vegetable / seed oils

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Originally posted by Pipe Smoker:
For what it’s worth…

“Healthy or “good” fats
Monounsaturated fats and polyunsaturated fats are known as the “good fats” because they are good for your heart, your cholesterol, and your overall health…”

www.helpguide.org/articles/hea...ing-healthy-fats.htm

Reading that article was informative, but left me a bit confused regarding soybean oil. First half said it was among the bad fats, second half seemed the opposite. Am I misreading?

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Originally posted by Pipe Smoker:
For what it’s worth…

“Healthy or “good” fats
Monounsaturated fats and polyunsaturated fats are known as the “good fats” because they are good for your heart, your cholesterol, and your overall health…”

www.helpguide.org/articles/hea...ing-healthy-fats.htm

^^^nail on the head^^^

Almonds. Nuts have quite a bit of fat believe it or not. Almonds have a lot of the good kind.

Surprisingly, oats have a considerable amount of fat – the “good” kind. And:

“Whole oats are the only food source of avenanthramides, a unique group of antioxidants believed to protect against heart disease.”

www.healthline.com/nutrition/foods/oats

Interesting info about oats in that article.

I eat rolled oats dry – I like ‘em best that way (a nut-like flavor). I seldom snack, but when I do it’s a few pinches of dry rolled oats. I’ve never read of anyone else that eats ‘em that way.

For porridge, I use oat groats. Like rolled and steel-cut oats, oat groats are hulled and toasted, but nothing else is done to them. Oat groat porridge has a wonderful texture.

Dr. Bikman talks about 4-HNE in the video above... it is found in seed oils / vegetable oils.

4-Hydroxy-2-nonenal in food products: A review of the toxicity, occurrence, mitigation strategies and analysis methods 2-2020 [ sciencedirect ]

The high reactivity of 4-HNE enables this compound to crosslink with various biomolecules and thus contribute to the pathological processes of several diseases, such as atherosclerosis, cancer, diabetes mellitus, and neurodegenerative disorders.

4-Hydroxynonenal, or 4-hydroxy-2-nonenal or 4-HNE or HNE [ wikipedia ]

Special attention must also be paid to cooking oils used repeatedly in caterings and households, because in those processes very high amounts of OαβUAs are generated and they can be easily absorbed through the diet.

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Originally posted by dynorat:
Simple version, if it tastes good it's probably bad.

A couple other loose rules of thumb ....... if you don't see it on a farm don't eat it. Only buy food from the outer edges of the grocery store.

Bacon. Nobody lives forever.

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Originally posted by Oz_Shadow:
Almonds. Nuts have quite a bit of fat believe it or not. Almonds have a lot of the good kind.

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Originally posted by AITG:
Bacon. Nobody lives forever.

"Healthy" fats generally don't require a PhD in chemistry to obtain. I stick to Tallow, bacon grease, duck fat, and avocado oil for cooking. Along with coconut oil and Ghee in coffee.

It should be noted that the combination of fats and carbohydrates is a very confusing combination for the human metabolism (present in the majority of processed foods today).

So, Good:
Animal saturated fats: Tallow/suet, ghee,

monounsaturated: olive, coconut, avocado

Bad: Corn, Soybean, Safflower, canola (PUFAs)

SATURATED FATS (the unhealthy fats)

Are saturated with hydrogen atoms. The H-atoms use up all available covalent bonds, therefore no double-bonds are possible along the carbon-carbon backbone of the molecule.

These molecules are relatively straight, therefore pack together closely. This makes for a denser substance that tends to be solid at room temperature. In your bloodstream fatty solids are bad news for your heart health. They are believed to increase cholesterol levels, increasing the percentage of LDL (the bad cholesterol).

Saturated fats are found in most animal fats, butter, margarine, shortening, whole milk products, and tropical oils.


UNSATURATED FATS (the healthy fats)

Have fewer hydrogens, and therefore at least one C-C double-bond. Each double-bond puts a bend in the molecule, and thus prevents tighter packing. Unsaturated fats thus tend to be liquid at RT. The most highly unsaturated fats are the Omega-3 fatty acids.

Note that even the "healthy" fats can be fattening if over-consumed.

Monounsaturated fats (have a single C-C double-bond): nuts, vegetable oils, peanut butter, avocado.

Polyunsaturated fats (have more than one C-C double-bond):
Omega-6: tofu, soybeans, walnuts, seeds, vegetable oils
Omega-3: fish, flaxseed, walnuts, canola oil

TRANS FATS (aka trans fatty acids; a really unhealthy fat):

Although a type of unsaturated fat, they are even worse than saturated fats.
Has at least one double-bond in the trans configuration, vs. the usual cis configuration. This causes the C-C backbone to be even straighter than sat-fats.

Thus it is even more solid still, and throws off the cholesterol ratio in favor of the bad LDLs.

Most trans fat is formed through an industrial process that adds hydrogen to vegetable oil. This "partially hydrogenated" oil makes it more solid at RT, and therefore less likely to spoil, giving food a longer shelf life. However the side effects to health are so pronounced that the FDA has instituted strict labelling regulations for processed foods that contain them.

Trans fats are found in many processed food products. Is also found naturally in meat and dairy, but in low amounts.


(A NOTE ON CHOLESTEROL)

Cholesterol travels through the blood on proteins called “lipoproteins.” Two types of lipoproteins carry cholesterol throughout the body:

LDL (low-density lipoprotein), sometimes called “bad” cholesterol, makes up most of your body’s cholesterol. High levels of LDL cholesterol raise your risk for heart disease and stroke.

HDL (high-density lipoprotein), or “good” cholesterol, absorbs cholesterol and carries it back to the liver. The liver then flushes it from the body. High levels of HDL cholesterol can lower your risk for heart disease and stroke.

When your body has too much LDL cholesterol, it can build up on the walls of your blood vessels. This buildup is called “plaque.” As your blood vessels build up plaque over time, the insides of the vessels narrow. This narrowing blocks blood flow to and from your heart and other organs.

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then there's the gov and other misinformation being propagated by corporate backed hacks...