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W07VH5
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I got into making videos for YouTube so I'd like to put together a workstation for audio recording and video editing. My questions are:

Since I already have a 1u rackmount server case from an unrelated project would it make sense to use that?

It's small form factor, will that make the accessories (power supply, memory, low profile cpu cooler,etc.) more expensive eliminating any cost saving of using what the case I already have?

Is an i5 enough or should I spring for an i7?

Will cramming everything into the 1u prove impractical? In other words should I just forget about the small case and get something larger?
 
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Get a big case. Rack mount server cases assume your rack is part of a temperature controlled server room. Many server racks have AC ducting and return lines directly into the rack. Thermal management is sacrificed for hardware density.

Big case gives you room for a large conventional heat sink on the CPU and/or room for a liquid cooling radiator.

Video editing is RAM, Disk, and CPU intensive, particularly if you start capturing and editing at higher resolutions, or start rendering effects/color grading. Expect your CPU to run at full load for the duration of the rendering cycle.

Get the I7, the hyper threading is beneficial for video editing.

Get fast SSDs for your working drive, keep it clean so that there's plenty of space for your project. NVMe for the primary drive, large enough for the OS, the editor software, all the files you want to edit together, and room for the scratch disk. 1TB would be a good place to start. You can use traditional Sata3 SSDs for storage, as those are getting quite affordable now.

Lastly, I recommend having an external backup solution. An 8TB USB drive is the value sweet spot these days I believe.
 
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Originally posted by mark123:
I got into making videos for YouTube so I'd like to put together a workstation for audio recording and video editing. My questions are:

Since I already have a 1u rackmount server case from an unrelated project would it make sense to use that?
That form factor is fine if it works in your environment.

It's small form factor, will that make the accessories (power supply, memory, low profile cpu cooler,etc.) more expensive eliminating any cost saving of using what the case I already have?
It's possible the PS could be more expensive. They have to be smaller usually a SFF or flex.
What gets them expensive is if you need a larger one for a graphic card.
There in lies the problem of 1U > space.



Is an i5 enough or should I spring for an i7?
An I5 vs I7 is that the I7 uses HyperThreading aka more threads (#cores x 2).
If your application can benefit of multiple threads then yes go I7.



Will cramming everything into the 1u prove impractical?
Possibly if you need an advanced graphic card or other internal devices.


In other words should I just forget about the small case and get something larger?
If all you have is a 1U case then the savings is not much.
If you need to save space or mount in rack then plan your footprint accordingly.
I build a lot of ITX small form factor servers that do great for SMB clients.
Gamers on the other hand need a big box for graphics, power supplies and cooling.
FWIW, the new Intel Gen 9/10 CPUS are pretty powerful and can do a lot include the built in graphics.
Couple that with the new M2 NVme SSD drives they are really great performers.

 
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W07VH5
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... Lastly, I recommend having an external backup solution. An 8TB USB drive is the value sweet spot these days I believe.
I put together a NAS for the family last month so storage will be there.

Yeah, I was thinking everything would be much easier in a bigger box. I'm probably going to have to go that route.

Maybe I'll save the 1u for pfsense and pi-hole.
 
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Hordes of machines in 1U cases do just fine and have for many years.
 
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Hordes of machines in 1U cases do just fine and have for many years.
sure but what I was wondering is will it be worth it to squeeze a video capable machine into a tiny case or will I end up spending more than if I just buy a new, larger case. I'd have to get very specific with a power supply and cpu cooler. I'd also have to spend loot on a PCIe extender for the video card.
 
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Originally posted by 46and2:
Hordes of machines in 1U cases do just fine and have for many years.
sure but what I was wondering is will it be worth it to squeeze a video capable machine into a tiny case or will I end up spending more than if I just buy a new, larger case. I'd have to get very specific with a power supply and cpu cooler. I'd also have to spend loot on a PCIe extender for the video card.


Video card & power supply will be your limiting factor in 1U, I'd say. If you want a powerful video card, I'd say get an ATX size case & be done with it - you'll be spending enough on the GPU that a decent case won't be that big of a deal.
i5->i7 is a big jump with hyperthreading & H265 hardware encoding. For video compression (Handbrake H265 encoding) i7-7700k is almost 2x as fast as i5-6500 & i5-3something (I had them running side by side by side for 2-3 weeks smashing DVD rips ~5GB -> ~1GB)
For everything else I do, i5 is plenty, but I like the i7 for the media server (rip/encode with MakeMKV & Handbrake and/or re-encode on demand via Plex)
 
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Originally posted by mark123:
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Originally posted by 46and2:
Hordes of machines in 1U cases do just fine and have for many years.
sure but what I was wondering is will it be worth it to squeeze a video capable machine into a tiny case or will I end up spending more than if I just buy a new, larger case. I'd have to get very specific with a power supply and cpu cooler. I'd also have to spend loot on a PCIe extender for the video card.


Video card & power supply will be your limiting factor in 1U, I'd say. If you want a powerful video card, I'd say get an ATX size case & be done with it - you'll be spending enough on the GPU that a decent case won't be that big of a deal.
i5->i7 is a big jump with hyperthreading & H265 hardware encoding. For video compression (Handbrake H265 encoding) i7-7700k is almost 2x as fast as i5-6500 & i5-3something (I had them running side by side by side for 2-3 weeks smashing DVD rips ~5GB -> ~1GB)
For everything else I do, i5 is plenty, but I like the i7 for the media server (rip/encode with MakeMKV & Handbrake and/or re-encode on demand via Plex)
Yeah, I think I'm going to go with an i7. I'm running an i5 laptop and it's jittery during playback in the video editor. Takes a while (couple hours for a 20 minute video) to process the final video and upload but all in all it's not horrible.

Right now my NAS is running an i3 with 16GB RAM. I have a pi-hole server on a VM inside of it and the thing isn't even warming up. It holds pretty steady at 30C. I don't really want to put more VMs on there though. I may put a pfsense server up but it may be really overkill. Why should that stop me though?
 
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The real question is "do I need an external graphics card?".
Look at you software and make a determination from that.
If so then a 1U won't be very friendly to the install process.
Additionally, don't compare laptop CPU's to desktop CPU's.
An I5 mobile is inferior to a I5 desktop.
Also review your chipset version and get the latest gen CPU, an older I5 or I7 gen CPU won't cut it compared to the latest G9+ CPU's.
If you are using an upgraded graphic card then get one better designed for editing not gaming.
The stronger CPU is more likely the better choice.
YMMV



 
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In the 9th generation Intel CPU's (Coffee Lake Refreshed) only the i9-9900K is a multi-threaded processor.

I've been reading up on processors in the expectation of a new machine. It currently looks like AMD Ryzen processors are the best value for price/power.



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Thanks for the info concerning the graphics card. Very interesting.

Any opinion on going with an AMD build. I've always used Intel. I've never even owned an off the shelf with an AMD.
 
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Originally posted by mark123:
Any opinion on going with an AMD build. I've always used Intel. I've never even owned an off the shelf with an AMD.


No direct experience yet, but here are some things I found. I found this helpful for the info on shooting in 4K, even if you don't plan on using it.


You can find more videos by searching "budget Video editing PC" on YouTube.



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