Do the French still have balls, or was Willie the Janitor right about them?

Are there any WWII Cemeteries in danger of being vandalized in France?? That might spark some cans of whoop-ass being opened if that happened...

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Originally posted by parabellum:
They're barbarians. Savages. Primitives. They shit all over any place they live and then they wallow in it. They like it, because they don't know any better- literally, they do not know any better.

Either the French want to keep their country, or they do not. There is no in-between. If they want to keep it, they will have to cease behaving as if it's wrong for them to want to preserve the culture they've been so proud of for centuries. They will have to cease with the absolute bullshit PC language. They will have to cease allowing themselves to be buggered by animals.

And if they need more evidence that all of this is true, they're going to get it every day, all they can handle and then some. The sooner they come to the realization that their country is being destroyed before their very eyes, the better off they will be, because there will come a point that the French people will become hostages in a stinking outhouse that used to be their country, and then nothing will save them.

It's the truth

There's a constant amongst all of these incidents, can't quite put my finger on it...

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Originally posted by corsair:
Everything I've come across is, LEO's in Europe are social pariahs, tight-lipped about their jobs socially, living in neighborhoods that are isolated or, separate from many to prevent neighbors from IDing you, not wearing any LE paraphernalia. The last decade-plus, Leftists in the US have worked over-time to create the same environment and social opinions, in many ways they've succeeded. Academics talking down about the work, young people believing wearing the badge & uniform automatically makes one the most grotesque of human, flippant remarks from visible figures are becoming more common.

I think that's a generalization of cultural misunderstandings between the US and Europe. There are some European law enforcement agencies of the "baracked police" type providing formed units for mass deployments which doesn't exist in the US, particularly those of a military heritage like the French Gendarmerie and Italian Carabineri, but also the Spanish Guardia Civil and German Bereitschaftspolizei units. While I think some of those also provide family housing, most don't, and they don't even represent the bulk of police forces in their respective countries. I've never heard of separate "cop neighborhoods" here, and I've interacted with lots of officers as a journalist, dated one, had a brother starting his career in Berlin CID, etc. In fact if you asked me where such a thing existed, I would probably guess in the US, entirely based upon Hollywood depictions in "Cop Land" and such.

Similarly, officers might be tight-lipped about their job in particular areas, particularly those affected by terrorism, separatism and organized crime like Northern Ireland, the Basque County, Corsica and Southern Italy, but even then I think locals pretty much know about each other. There's an ongoing debate here in Germany on ID tags for individual officers, either with their name or a number; proponents argue that would make cases of police violence better attributable, while police unions claim it would open cops to personal retribution for their actions. It's not unheard of that officers get the wheelbolts on their private cars losened, likely by organized leftwingers, but as far as I can see there's no popular culture of cops hiding their occupation.

There is simply no tradition for wearing professional paraphernalia, of any job or service, in your private time here, either; though it has been making some inroads in recent decades, chiefly as an import from the US. Along with less positive parts of relevant American culture, like the "All Cops Are Bastards" catchphrase, or the attempt to seize on movements like BLM even though the socio-economic base doesn't really exist locally on one hand; and an "us vs. them" thinking among LEOs on the other. And sure cops like to complain they have to deal with the effects of failed government policy and societal developments while also being left alone or cussed out by said politicians and society, but they share that with any other public service. As it is, police enjoy an about 80 percent expression of popular trust here, actually making them the most-trusted institution compared to public media at ca. 70, the federal government at 60, unions at a little over 50, and churches at barely 25.

The French riots have been over for some days BTW. Overall I gotta say I'm slightly amused by this thread, since Americans have their own experiences with semi-regular nationwide minority unrest, yet seem to think foreigners should be evacuated from France upon a fresh manifestation of the similar tradition there.

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Originally posted by BansheeOne:
The French riots have been over for some days BTW. Overall I gotta say I'm slightly amused by this thread, since Americans have their own experiences with semi-regular nationwide minority unrest, yet seem to think foreigners should be evacuated from France upon a fresh manifestation of the similar tradition there.

Maybe you haven't been paying attention.

To which extent?

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Originally posted by BansheeOne:
To which extent?

Of the majority of the forum members' opinion of tossing out the foreign invaders.

Yes, the riots are over, and now, France is at peace, completely. The country is not being invaded by savages who wish to destroy French culture. The police are not besieged, not criticized by government and news media alike, and not chastised on the streets of France. The citizens of France, many of whom have ancestry in the country going back for centuries, are not witnessing the destruction of their culture and their nation.

Everything is wonderful now. Of course, there will be no riots ever again. The savages err disadvantaged and oppressed peaceful migrants, and the objective and reasonable communists, and the woke fools err enlightened leaders for the future, are not waiting for the slightest reason to set the nation on fire once again. Really, it's remarkable how serene and harmonious is all of France.

Regarding Americans, we have no right to comment on the recent unfortunate misunderstandings in France; we have no experience with such things and therefore we lack a valid perspective. We cannot draw any parallels between the invasion and attempted destruction of France err I mean the recent misunderstandings in France, and what is happening in the United States, so it's best for us to remain silent and allow Europe to work out it's own difficulties, as they have a superlative track record of doing so.

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Originally posted by BansheeOne:
The French riots have been over for some days BTW. Overall I gotta say I'm slightly amused by this thread, since Americans have their own experiences with semi-regular nationwide minority unrest, yet seem to think foreigners should be evacuated from France upon a fresh manifestation of the similar tradition there.

Exactly. Same thing! It was a bunch of Mexicans who burned cities down all over our country for two years because a Mexican kid died of a drug overdose while the police sat on him. That's exactly what happened. That's why we need to close off the borders and kick out all the illegal immigrants, because they're the ones burning shit down whenever they feel like it. Besides, they're just taking jobs from all the hard-working poor black people born in this country who want to pick fruit in the fields, and that ain't fair. Totally the same thing.

A lot of Europe is going to destabilize in the future over this uncontrolled invasion. Even after all the turmoil in France the Dutch do not have the resolve to stop it.


Dutch government breaks up over immigration crisis

The Dutch PM will resign following a failure to reach an agreement in parliament regarding immigration and asylum policy.

https://www.israelnationalnews.com/news/373854

The Dutch government has disbanded after the coalition parties failed in trying to reach agreements on immigration and asylum policy in the country.

Dutch Prime Minister Mark Rutte has announced that he will hand in his resignation on Saturday to King Willem-Alexander after talks between the four coalition parties on immigration policy failed.

"The decision was very difficult for us. The differences of opinion between the partners in the coalition were irreconcilable. All parties made great efforts to find a solution, but unfortunately it is impossible to bridge the differences regarding immigration," Rutte told reporters. Tim Kujisten, spokesman for the Christian Union party that was in the coalition, added that "the four parties decided that they could not reach an agreement on immigration. That's why they decided to end this government."

Elections will probably take place this November. Geert Wilders, the leader of the Party for Freedom which opposes Muslim immigration to the Netherlands, called in a tweet on Twitter to hold elections immediately.

According to the data of the Central Bureau of Statistics in the Netherlands, in 2022 at least 21,500 immigrants requested asylum in the Netherlands. The country's immigration centers have become extremely crowded, with some immigrants forced to sleep in rough conditions outside the immigration centers due to the large number of asylum seekers entering the country.

Rutte's party worked to reduce the flow of immigrants entering the Netherlands, but some of the other parties in the coalition opposed this. "Everyone wants to find a good and effective solution that also does justice to the fact that human lives are involved," said Finance Minister Sigrid Kaag, a member of the center party Democrats 66, before the start of the failed talks.

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Originally posted by corsair:
There's a constant amongst all of these incidents, can't quite put my finger on it...

Yeah, a real puzzlement, what could it be?

You'd think that France and the rest of Europe might remember the Huns, the Goths, the Vandals, and other peaceful migrants who managed to DEI the entire European demographic (by murdering the previous inhabitants). The immigration crisis is yet another barbarian invasion. "Have nots" trying to get "their fair share" of wealth that was earned by the generations-long efforts of others. Rather than exert a comparable level of effort across generations, they prefer to acquire it through violence and theft.

This is not unlike what we are seeing in our country. In earlier times, the majority of immigrants and the underclass sought to pursue the American Dream by assimilating and working hard, yes across generations if necessary. Now, this has evolved into a smash and grab, get mine now mentality with no intention to adopt the morality and customs of those that have demonstrated the worthiness of their values and a legacy of diligent work efforts.

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Originally posted by BansheeOne:
To which extent?

Of the majority of the forum members' opinion of tossing out the foreign invaders.

I think we're talking at cross purposes. I was refering to remarks on the first two pages that foreign citizens in France should look up air and shipping links to get out of the country because of the unrest. OTOH, most of the inhabitants of the French banlieues which have been a flashpoint for this kind, or just smaller localized rioting for the last 20 years, are actually French citizens, born there and descended from immigrants from the former French Empire who were imported in the three decades after WW II; so they can't be simply deported.

In the 1950s the economies of industrialized European countries were rebounding from WW II in a big way, but desperately lacked workers due to the casualities and birth gap of the war. Easily solved for the likes of France and the UK: they had still-existing or recent ex-colonies full of cheap workers who already had citizenship or at least spoke the language. So the UK imported lots of South Asians and West Indians in particular (see Windrush generation). France didn't even technically need to go outside its borders, since Algeria was actually a metropolitan French department then. Countries with no colonies like Germany recruited people from structurally weak southern Europe, everything from Portugal to Turkey. Folks streamed to the well-paying jobs. The economy boomed. Everyone was happy.

Come the 70s, oil crisis, economic downturn, rising unemployment. In France, low-wage workers have moved from dilapidated inner-city housing into the government-built "new city" high-rises in the suburbs which held the promise of affordable modern anemities in the 50s. The immigrants have remained on the lowest rungs of the workforce and are first to get laid off. Native French move out of the neighborhoods if they can. The usual spiral of poor education, bad economics, discrimination, white flight, structural neglect, rising crime etc. begins. The concentration of immigrant communities attracts newcomers sharing the same nationalities and cultures. Besides those, a trans-ethnic "us poor rejects" banlieue identity develops against society outside, authorities etc. The first riot over an arrested youth was in 1979 (similar in the UK in the early 80s), though they really took off in the 90s.

Since then, they have been a semi-regular occurrence; but like similar events in the US, they only get international attention if they reach a certain scale - Los Angeles 1992, across France in 2005, BLM in 2020, now this. There are lots of smaller, more localized and sometimes just too ususual disturbances, like the traditional Bastille Day rioting in France, or all the stuff you need a Wikipedia list to keep track of.

something we should be worried about

https://www.breitbart.com/euro...-to-downplay-impact/

The riots that recently swept across France were a result of “failures of migration policy” according to six in ten in the country, despite attempts by the political establishment to gloss over the role of mass migration in the social breakdown in France.

A survey conducted this week by Odoxa-Backbone Consulting for the Le Figaro newspaper found that the overwhelming majority of the French public (84 per cent) denounced the violence that broke out following the police killing of an Algerian-heritage teenager last month. Although the violence and rioting have subsided to some degree, nearly nine in ten (89 per cent) fear for the future of their country following the breakdown in social order.

While establishment figures, such as former President François Hollande and Interior Minister Gérald Darmanin have attempted to cast blame elsewhere, a firm majority of the French, 59 per cent, openly stated that they believe the riots were “the consequence of the failures of our migration policy”. An even larger majority, 71 per cent, said that there should be a reduction in immigration to the country.

A good article from Treehouse on this topic. . .

France Burns While Media Demand We Pretend Not to See the Origin of the “Crisis”…

. . .which includes two embedded videos.

One is a video montage of the current violence as introduced in the article. . .

"A Twitter account put together video from recent events in Europe, transposed with a speech given by Enoch Powell 55-years-ago, to highlight the insufferable cultural marxist pretending that is now rampant. {Direct Rumble Link}. Watch closely and see the future of the United States."

. . .and the other video is from Paul Joeseph Watson.

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...the insufferable cultural marxist pretending that is now rampant.

Damn if that ain't the truth. The French people- and the American people- must recognize what is happening and endeavor to stop it- to stop promoting it or tolerating it- or a point of no return will be reached, and we are approaching that point at an ever-increasing pace.

I always found it ironic that the general public seemed opposed to the police going in and using force to stop riots for fear of people being hurt.

When in fact the longer the riots continue, the more people get hurt and the more property is destroyed leading to further hurt to people who did nothing other than operate a legal business or live in the wrong area at that point in time.

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When in fact the longer the riots continue, the more people get hurt and the more property is destroyed leading to further hurt to people who did nothing other than operate a legal business or live in the wrong area at that point in time.

Rioting and looting can be stopped immediately by shooting a few of the looters in the act.
It's really the only way. That's deterrence.

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Originally posted by BansheeOne:

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Originally posted by corsair:
Everything I've come across is, LEO's in Europe are social pariahs, tight-lipped about their jobs socially, living in neighborhoods that are isolated or, separate from many to prevent neighbors from IDing you, not wearing any LE paraphernalia. The last decade-plus, Leftists in the US have worked over-time to create the same environment and social opinions, in many ways they've succeeded. Academics talking down about the work, young people believing wearing the badge & uniform automatically makes one the most grotesque of human, flippant remarks from visible figures are becoming more common.

I think that's a generalization of cultural misunderstandings between the US and Europe. There are some European law enforcement agencies of the "baracked police" type providing formed units for mass deployments which doesn't exist in the US, particularly those of a military heritage like the French Gendarmerie and Italian Carabineri, but also the Spanish Guardia Civil and German Bereitschaftspolizei units. While I think some of those also provide family housing, most don't, and they don't even represent the bulk of police forces in their respective countries. I've never heard of separate "cop neighborhoods" here, and I've interacted with lots of officers as a journalist, dated one, had a brother starting his career in Berlin CID, etc. In fact if you asked me where such a thing existed, I would probably guess in the US, entirely based upon Hollywood depictions in "Cop Land" and such.

Nope that's not it, I'm familiar with how LE & military are different between the US and other European countries.
My inter-actions with police from various European countries have reflected what I posted, the majority of them lament how cops get to enjoy some level of support from the general public while back home, that support maybe muted however, getting invectives and mild insults from acquaintances are common place.

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Along with less positive parts of relevant American culture, like the "All Cops Are Bastards" catchphrase, or the attempt to seize on movements like BLM even though the socio-economic base doesn't really exist locally on one hand; and an "us vs. them" thinking among LEOs on the other. And sure cops like to complain they have to deal with the effects of failed government policy and societal developments while also being left alone or cussed out by said politicians and society, but they share that with any other public service.

Well, thanks to Germany and the UK, antifa got its legs over there and inspired a bunch of losers over here. I gotta say, I admire the polizi's use of water cannons.

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The French riots have been over for some days BTW. Overall I gotta say I'm slightly amused by this thread, since Americans have their own experiences with semi-regular nationwide minority unrest, yet seem to think foreigners should be evacuated from France upon a fresh manifestation of the similar tradition there.

Say what?