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I agree with the above.
I’m not a follower of Ramsey but have heard good things about his process.

In this day and age $1000 is not enough for many true emergencies....but it is a start.

In counseling my younger son who is getting married later this year and who’s fiancée has a chunk of student loans first priority is an emergency fund slash lay off fund of about $8K. Then he has convinced his fiancée to aggressively attack the higher interest loans first and they are making good progress.

Their goal is to pay off her loans and buy a home next year and they should be able to do that.


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I lean towards paying off debt if you have $1k for emergencies. Betting interest on debt is way way higher than savings interest,
 
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Hope y’all don’t mind me chiming in with a question or two also.. this thread hits home with us. We have a sizable amount of debt we are trying to get a handle on as well. No emergencies though, thank goodness. I’ve heard and read some of Ramsey’s methods and it certainly seems solid. My question is this, is it always best to throw extra cash at the smallest debt/card first *even* if the biggest balance (on another card) is killing you from high interest? Hope that makes sense.. thanks!


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Always pay highest interest first. Always.

The only exception is if you need the psychological boost of “paying off a debt” in order to keep grinding away and saving.

From a money standpoint, highest interest first. Always.
 
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What if the are several balances with basically the same interest rate (within 1 or 2%). Do you then attack the highest balance or lowest first?


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Always pay highest interest first. Always.
The only exception is if you need the psychological boost of “paying off a debt” in order to keep grinding away and saving.
From a money standpoint, highest interest first. Always.

I agree with you... but this entire debate risks going too far into the weeds. Yes, if you have credit card debt at both 18% and 16%, by all means the math is simple: Pay off the 18% first.

But what I advise both clients and kids is simple:
Learn to live on 80% of what you earn.
Then we can have a discussion of priorities for the 20% you are saving/investing.
But until you can limit your spending, it's a waste of time.



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I think it all depends on what type of debt you are discussing, and how much time it would take to pay off.

I like Dave Ramsey’s overall premise, and my wife and I have been paying back a very large student loan debt on an aggressive basis. We keep several months worth of expenses in a high-yield savings account, which is basically “borrowing against our debt”. However, the spread between the savings interest rate and the loan interest rate is around 2.5%, so it is not a very high carry cost for that peace of mind.

Here’s my basic guide:

1. High interest debt, but short payback (I.e., less than 6-12 months to pay it off): full steam ahead. Prioritize debt payment over savings.

2. High interest debt, but long payback (+12 months): build a small amount of savings, then pay off debt.

3. Low interest debt, short payback: tossup. Most would build some savings, then pay debt.

4. Low interest debt, long payback: build a good amount of savings, then pay debt.


In our particular situation, we have a huge amount of debt at 4% fixed interest rates. We built up a 6 month savings, aggressively cut all spending, and pay off debt ruthlessly. We will have paid off a private law school and an expensive MBA before we hit our 5th anniversary.


We do the same but got some interesting advice from a financial planner that was highly recommended to us. Regarding our mortgage, which is at 3.8% and we were working on a plan to pay it off in the next 12 years. This would have cost ~$900 extra a month that we would put into savings 1. As an emergency house fund (we already have 6 mo mort payments saved) and then once we have the amount needed we would just pay off the mortgage.

He advised that since it was such a low percentage rate and homes in our area continue to climb in value (N. of DFW) it would be wiser to put into savings or a fairly secure investment such as bonds....earning 3-4%.

His point was why pay off something that is only slightly higher than the cost of inflation.

All other debt, which at this point is only my wife's car gets paid off ruthlessly.

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But until you can limit your spending, it's a waste of time.


This is the most important sentence in this entire thread.

I’m amazed at how much people spend on frivolous items, then find themselves short and in debt.
 
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A. don't buy a damn thing ( except absolute essentials)

until!

you have payed all your debts in full.
and then
B. Don't buy a damn thing ( except ther absolute essentials )

until
you have ten months worth of bill paying in the safe deposit box.

thats right 10 months worth of all the bills you will have to pay if you are out of commission , unable to work.

then and only then can you go out for a movie and supper.

cancel the web service , cable and what ever else you need too , to accomplish this.

I did it this way and managed to stretch the ten months in too 14 months when the shit hit the fan. ( out of work)

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Do both.

Look at the debts you have AND the monthly interest rate on each debt.

As you pay on each debt, pay the highest interest debts first, with an affordable additional amount paid directly on the principal. The next month, put the amount saved in interest on the additional principal you paid the month previous into your emergency fund.

In this way, you pay down debt faster (due to additional principal paid) while simultaneously building you emergency reserve.





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Not sure if anyone has mentioned this, but try looking for credit card offers with 0% APR for some period of time. I haven't seen any offers like this in quite some time, but some years back when I was in fairly deep CC debt, I'd get these 0% APR offers and transfer my balances to those. Eventually I'd get another 0% APR offer and transfer any outstanding balance to that. Rinse and repeat over time. There was some transfer fee, but in the end, I think I saved a lot of interest expense by continually transferring balances to 0% cards.

In addition, any bonus I got at work and IRS refunds went immediately to reduce/pay off the CC balance. I used to be in excess of $25k in CC debt. I am now debt free and what a glorious feeling it is!!



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Snowball.

Pay the smallest first, roll that payment into the next biggest, and so on.

If you got into the psychological trap of getting into debt, bank on the fact that you'll need the psychological help to pay it off.
 
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If you got into the psychological trap of getting into debt, bank on the fact that you'll need the psychological help to pay it off.


Not necessarily re: getting into debt. There could have been a lay-off, medical emergency, etc. that caused the influx of debt.

However, if the debt was caused by other, controlable factors then the snowball method may be appropriate.
 
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