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Originally posted by henryaz:

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Originally posted by ensigmatic:
Yesterday evening I did some comparisons between the iPhone 6S, 7 and 8. (The iPhone X I regard as too big.)

The new Xs iPhone (which is the same as last year's 'X' model) is .15" wider and .21" taller than the 6s, and it has a 5.8" screen vs 4" for the 6s. 

Hmmm... I didn't catch that. That would be doable--save the cost.

I'll add that this year the company bought me a mid-plus tier iMac for the home office I usually work out of.

I run it next to my personal MBP (2014) and honestly, I've kept doing most of my work on my MBP, since the iMac is so laggy.

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Originally posted by bigdeal:

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Originally posted by PowerSurge:
So you might as well buy the one that retains its value better so when it’s time to sell in a year or 3 you keep more of your money and put that towards a new one.

I love this argument. You spend $1k on a new iPhone (base model), and then three years from now, you sell it on Craigslist for ~$400. So that phone's actual sunk cost to you was $600. Or, you buy a OnePlus 6 for $530 (base model) that does 90%+ of what the iPhone does, and is every bit as fast if not faster, and then sell it on Craigslist three years down the road for $250-$300. Sunk cost of that phone is ~$250.

If you want to take this a step further, you'd be miles ahead to buy the new Xiaomi Poco F1 phone for around $279 US (base model), which will do 75% of what a new iPhone will do, and then sell it on Craiglist three years down the road for $100-$150. Even if you simply threw it away and bought a new phone, you'd be money ahead.

Phones are not investments in any sense of the word.

Bad comparo. Both those phones are crapola and aren’t even in the same solar system as an iPhone.

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Originally posted by ensigmatic:

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Originally posted by henryaz:

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Originally posted by ensigmatic:
Yesterday evening I did some comparisons between the iPhone 6S, 7 and 8. (The iPhone X I regard as too big.)

The new Xs iPhone (which is the same as last year's 'X' model) is .15" wider and .21" taller than the 6s, and it has a 5.8" screen vs 4" for the 6s. 

Hmmm... I didn't catch that. That would be doable--save the cost.

The new XR is he same seize with the new chip and $250 cheaper

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Originally posted by bigdeal:

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Originally posted by PowerSurge:
So you might as well buy the one that retains its value better so when it’s time to sell in a year or 3 you keep more of your money and put that towards a new one.

I love this argument. You spend $1k on a new iPhone (base model), and then three years from now, you sell it on Craigslist for ~$400. So that phone's actual sunk cost to you was $600. Or, you buy a OnePlus 6 for $530 (base model) that does 90%+ of what the iPhone does, and is every bit as fast if not faster, and then sell it on Craigslist three years down the road for $250-$300. Sunk cost of that phone is ~$250.

If you want to take this a step further, you'd be miles ahead to buy the new Xiaomi Poco F1 phone for around $279 US (base model), which will do 75% of what a new iPhone will do, and then sell it on Craiglist three years down the road for $100-$150. Even if you simply threw it away and bought a new phone, you'd be money ahead.

Phones are not investments in any sense of the word.

Not everyone wants android. I don’t care how good an android phone is I don’t like the platform and I have tried it multiple times.

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Originally posted by Dusty78:

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Originally posted by ensigmatic:

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Originally posted by henryaz:

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Originally posted by ensigmatic:
Yesterday evening I did some comparisons between the iPhone 6S, 7 and 8. (The iPhone X I regard as too big.)

The new Xs iPhone (which is the same as last year's 'X' model) is .15" wider and .21" taller than the 6s, and it has a 5.8" screen vs 4" for the 6s. 

Hmmm... I didn't catch that. That would be doable--save the cost.

The new XR is he same seize with the new chip and $250 cheaper

Yes but has a LCD screen with really poor resolution, and battery life that is much less than the XS. It does share the same chip, camera and a lot of other things.

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Originally posted by PowerSurge:

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Originally posted by bigdeal:

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Originally posted by PowerSurge:
So you might as well buy the one that retains its value better so when it’s time to sell in a year or 3 you keep more of your money and put that towards a new one.

I love this argument. You spend $1k on a new iPhone (base model), and then three years from now, you sell it on Craigslist for ~$400. So that phone's actual sunk cost to you was $600. Or, you buy a OnePlus 6 for $530 (base model) that does 90%+ of what the iPhone does, and is every bit as fast if not faster, and then sell it on Craigslist three years down the road for $250-$300. Sunk cost of that phone is ~$250.

If you want to take this a step further, you'd be miles ahead to buy the new Xiaomi Poco F1 phone for around $279 US (base model), which will do 75% of what a new iPhone will do, and then sell it on Craiglist three years down the road for $100-$150. Even if you simply threw it away and bought a new phone, you'd be money ahead.

Phones are not investments in any sense of the word.

Bad comparo. Both those phones are crapola and aren’t even in the same solar system as an iPhone.

Spoken like a true Apple bigot. I've carried a OnePlus 3T (almost three years now), and it ran neck in neck across the board against the iPhone 6 that was released at the same time while costing me $399. To say OnePlus is both junk and "not even in the same solar system as an iPhone" means you know nothing about OnePlus products.

My financial comparison stands. And if you still think a cellular phone is an 'investment', I've got some ocean front property in Arizona you might be interested in.

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Originally posted by Dusty78:

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Originally posted by bigdeal:

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Originally posted by PowerSurge:
So you might as well buy the one that retains its value better so when it’s time to sell in a year or 3 you keep more of your money and put that towards a new one.

I love this argument. You spend $1k on a new iPhone (base model), and then three years from now, you sell it on Craigslist for ~$400. So that phone's actual sunk cost to you was $600. Or, you buy a OnePlus 6 for $530 (base model) that does 90%+ of what the iPhone does, and is every bit as fast if not faster, and then sell it on Craigslist three years down the road for $250-$300. Sunk cost of that phone is ~$250.

If you want to take this a step further, you'd be miles ahead to buy the new Xiaomi Poco F1 phone for around $279 US (base model), which will do 75% of what a new iPhone will do, and then sell it on Craiglist three years down the road for $100-$150. Even if you simply threw it away and bought a new phone, you'd be money ahead.

Phones are not investments in any sense of the word.

Not everyone wants android. I don’t care how good an android phone is I don’t like the platform and I have tried it multiple times.

Point taken about user preference. My comparison was not to put one ecosystem above the other (I think both have their advantages/disadvantages), but to dispel the idea that a cellular phone was some kind of investment, and that owning a $1k+ iPhone was a better financial move in the long run.

Problem with the missing 10-25% of “...what an iPhone does” is that it includes the seamless integration between my phone, iPad, MacBook, watch, wife’s iPhone, iPad, and watch as well as my chosen music streaming service and vehicle functionality.

I get that lots of people don’t care about these things, so don’t buy an iPhone. I don’t have Apple stock so whether other folks buy their stuff or not makes no difference to me.

What I find curious though is the folks who vociferously argue against high end iPhones (or any high end gadget for that matter) and feel the need to ridicule or dismiss those with a different opinion.

Kinda like the anti-gunners who instead of just not buying a gun, don’t want anyone else to buy one either.

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Originally posted by PowerSurge:
What’s even more ridiculous is the price of some of these android phones. They don’t hold their value near as well as iPhones.

Hold their value? It's an electronic device, not real estate.

Further, it's possible to get a very good, not cutting edge, but very good Android phone, for much less than the Google Pixel, Samsung S9, or iPhone prices.

Case in point:
https://www.cnet.com/reviews/motorola-moto-g6-review/

That phone can be used with an provider, as long as you have the SIM card for that provider (which your old phone would have), and comes with no "bloatware," if you don't buy it from a service provider. It's currently going for $240 at Costco and $215 on Amazon.

That's just one example, there are others.

If you absolutely must have "cutting edge," then you're stuck paying $800+ (including up to $1500 for an iPhone). However, if you can live with very good (and everyone really can), you can have it for a very reasonable price.

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Originally posted by bigdeal:

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Originally posted by PowerSurge:

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Originally posted by bigdeal:

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Originally posted by PowerSurge:
So you might as well buy the one that retains its value better so when it’s time to sell in a year or 3 you keep more of your money and put that towards a new one.

I love this argument. You spend $1k on a new iPhone (base model), and then three years from now, you sell it on Craigslist for ~$400. So that phone's actual sunk cost to you was $600. Or, you buy a OnePlus 6 for $530 (base model) that does 90%+ of what the iPhone does, and is every bit as fast if not faster, and then sell it on Craigslist three years down the road for $250-$300. Sunk cost of that phone is ~$250.

If you want to take this a step further, you'd be miles ahead to buy the new Xiaomi Poco F1 phone for around $279 US (base model), which will do 75% of what a new iPhone will do, and then sell it on Craiglist three years down the road for $100-$150. Even if you simply threw it away and bought a new phone, you'd be money ahead.

Phones are not investments in any sense of the word.

Bad comparo. Both those phones are crapola and aren’t even in the same solar system as an iPhone.

Spoken like a true Apple bigot. I've carried a OnePlus 3T (almost three years now), and it ran neck in neck across the board against the iPhone 6 that was released at the same time while costing me $399. To say OnePlus is both junk and "not even in the same solar system as an iPhone" means you know nothing about OnePlus products.

My financial comparison stands. And if you still think a cellular phone is an 'investment', I've got some ocean front property in Arizona you might be interested in.

My statement about oneplus stands. Be fair and compare flagship phones from Samsung and Google. You’ll find the iphones hold their value better and Apple has a higher customer satisfaction rating. Never said a phone was an investment. A daily driven car isn’t an investment either, but there is no arguing that Hondas hold their value better than Fords.

FYI, Android made me an Apple user.

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Originally posted by 911Boss:
Problem with the missing 10-25% of “...what an iPhone does” is that it includes the seamless integration between my phone, iPad, MacBook, watch, wife’s iPhone, iPad, and watch as well as my chosen music streaming service and vehicle functionality.

I get that lots of people don’t care about these things, so don’t buy an iPhone. I don’t have Apple stock so whether other folks buy their stuff or not makes no difference to me.

What I find curious though is the folks who vociferously argue against high end iPhones (or any high end gadget for that matter) and feel the need to ridicule or dismiss those with a different opinion.

Kinda like the anti-gunners who instead of just not buying a gun, don’t want anyone else to buy one either.

Perfectly stated.

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Originally posted by JDSigManiac:
I don’t see what the problem is. Want a top of the line German engineered car that costs more than its worth, then buy a Mercedes. If not, buy a Honda. Want to spend a shit ton of money on a new iPhone, then have at it. If not, then buy something else. I dont understand the vitriol from people who,say they dont care about having the newest and greatest iPhones. If tou want one, buy it, if not, then don’t.

Not everyone who is a frequent user of a high end phone is a Facebook addicted drone.

Nailed it

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Anyways, I was going to order the new XR, but after looking at the specs. Same crappy LCD screen as the 7, only IP 67 water resistant, poor battery life because of the LCD screen and smaller battery, I ordered a new XS. If the XR was $550 then I would've bought it,but not for $750

Actually, if you go back through the information, the iPhone XR is supposed to have the best battery life out of all of Apple’s iPhones.

https://iphone.appleinsider.co...e-of-any-iphone-ever

The physical size is the only thing that is really keeping me from getting the XR as I love the size of my 8. Also, having bounced back and forth between the iPhone 8 and X, the battery life of the 8 ran circles around that of the X, but YMMV.

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Originally posted by ensigmatic:
Hmmm... I didn't catch that. That would be doable--save the cost.

I got my numbers confused a bit. Your 6s has a 4.7" screen, not 4". The dimensions of the phone bodies are correct, though, and the Xs does have a 5.8" screen (bezel-less, all screen)
 
The cost of the Xs puts me off a bit too, which is why I am considering the new Xr, at $749. It has an advanced LCD display, rather than the OLED of the Xs models, but is feature-wise the same (FaceID and all). It is also slightly larger than the Xs, at 2.98" x 5.94", but that small bit of extra size gives you a 6.1" screen, vs 5.8" for the Xs, again all screen and bezel-less. Their move to a bezel-less format allows much bigger screens relative to the physical size of the phone.
 
Somehow, your being an IT and security professional, I just can't see you going back to the Android platform. Be nice if we could install Postfix on either platform, though, eh? Yes, I follow the Postfix-users list.
 

Don’t need or want one?

Don’t buy it!

Plenty of cheaper flip phones out there for the haters!

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Originally posted by PowerSurge:
My statement about oneplus stands. Be fair and compare flagship phones from Samsung and Google. You’ll find the iphones hold their value better and Apple has a higher customer satisfaction rating. Never said a phone was an investment. A daily driven car isn’t an investment either, but there is no arguing that Hondas hold their value better than Fords.

FYI, Android made me an Apple user.

But saying that the OnePlus is crapola..

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Originally posted by Dusty78:

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Originally posted by ensigmatic:

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Originally posted by henryaz:

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Originally posted by ensigmatic:
Yesterday evening I did some comparisons between the iPhone 6S, 7 and 8. (The iPhone X I regard as too big.)

The new Xs iPhone (which is the same as last year's 'X' model) is .15" wider and .21" taller than the 6s, and it has a 5.8" screen vs 4" for the 6s. 

Hmmm... I didn't catch that. That would be doable--save the cost.

The new XR is he same seize with the new chip and $250 cheaper

Yeah... I won't be paying $750 for a phone

I'll have to wait until X's start appearing on Swappa in the sub-$300 range before I'll be upgrading again.

My brother who lives overseas but travels a ton and runs his multi-million dollar business from his phone is super excited about the dual sim capability’s of the new phones. He had lines in the US and abroad so this will simplify things for him.

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Originally posted by ensigmatic:

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Originally posted by Dusty78:

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Originally posted by ensigmatic:

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Originally posted by henryaz:

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Originally posted by ensigmatic:
Yesterday evening I did some comparisons between the iPhone 6S, 7 and 8. (The iPhone X I regard as too big.)

The new Xs iPhone (which is the same as last year's 'X' model) is .15" wider and .21" taller than the 6s, and it has a 5.8" screen vs 4" for the 6s. 

Hmmm... I didn't catch that. That would be doable--save the cost.

The new XR is he same seize with the new chip and $250 cheaper

Yeah... I won't be paying $750 for a phone

I'll have to wait until X's start appearing on Swappa in the sub-$300 range before I'll be upgrading again.

I’ll be selling my X soon but not for $300 lol