I found this in the Greg Ellifritz "Weekend Knowledge Dump" at https://www.activeresponsetrai...dge-dump-may-10-2024

Others, in this forum, introduced me to the free newsletter and I recommend it. The following article raised some issues about the risks of getting involved in deadly situations and the risks of being the "good guy" and still having the local DA try to send you to jail.



MEDITATIONS ON DUTY
3 MAY 2024 LAWDOG 39 COMMENTS
Social media has seen something of an uptick in women asking, “Where are the men?”

It’s not just in a general sense, though. It’s a link to a news report of a woman having a flat tyre on a road somewhere and hours going by where no-one would stop to help her, and in the comments somewhere one of the distaff side of the species asks, “Where are the men?”

Or a report of a woman assaulted on a train, and none of the bystanders intervened — a female commenter will post, “Where were the men?”

Well, that’s a question for a very convoluted situation, and one of the answers is here:
Daniel Penny disputes he held Jordan Neely in a chokehold for 15 minutes on NYC subway

This is not a statement as to whether Daniel Penny was justified as to what he is charged with. That is up to a — hopefully — unbiased jury to decide.

No, this is an indictment — pun intended — on a local prosecution that has literally released — without requiring bail of any kind — known felons with felony charges; has downgraded felony charges by repeat offenders to misdemeanors; and has refused to seek charges against known felons with long felony histories.

Yet this same local prosecution dropped the hammer on a man with no previous criminal history.

In Kenosha, Wisconsin a known criminal with previous violent charges and a current felony warrant for sexual assault got stupid with a knife while being arrested for that felony sexual assault warrant and wound up getting shot. Which is what happens when you engage in knife-related stupidity at cops.

During the resulting mostly peaceful demonstrations sodding riots in which forty businesses — which had absolutely nothing to do with the shooting of an idiot felon — were burned out of business, another 100 were damaged to the tune of probably about 50 million dollars, and a teenager with no previous criminal history wound up shooting 1) a paedophile felon with a history of multiple sexual assaults on minors; 2) another felon with a record for felony strangulation of a domestic partner and felony false imprisonment; and 3) A man who pointed a gun at him who also had an expunged felony conviction and misdemeanor weapons convictions.

Of course, local prosecution dropped the hammer on the teenager with no previous criminal history, while excusing the rioters.

Every day we are bombarded with news articles about District Attorneys campaigning for “No bail requirements”, “Reduced sentencing”, “Alternate sentencing”, all of which appears — in some cases outrighted stated — to give felons and habitual criminals a leg up.

We are continually shown footage of riots in major cities and at universities where the rioters arsonists, and violent thugs are treated with kid gloves.

Just or otherwise, there is a very definite perception that District Attorneys would much rather throw the book at someone with no previous criminal history, while the felons and violent thugs get deals.

On the other paw, for a man to be even hinted at any variety of sexual offence, whether it be harassment or outright rape, is to be guilty until proven innocent.

And to certain parts of the howling Internet mobs you can never be innocent — and they will make it a crusade to destroy your life.

In 2018, a Texas DPS trooper named Daniel Hubbard made a standard DWI arrest. The arrestee accused him of sexual assault. The Department of Public Safety released over two hours of dashcam and bodycam footage which conclusively proved that Trooper Hubbard acted completely professionally throughout the contact and arrest.

Despite lying about the sexual assault, the woman whose bogus claims about being raped by a Texas trooper has never been charged.

Brett Kavanaugh made the unfortunate decision to accept the honour of being nominated as a Justice of the United States Supreme Court. What happened thereafter was … educational.

I find myself in a position that I’ve never been in before. All of my life I have known that if people needed to be helped, I should help them — I’ve literally been a Boy Scout. All of my adult life I have known that if there is gun-fire, I will run to that sound and protect people.

I … don’t know anymore.

It’s already started. If Rita isn’t with me, I will not stop to help a female stranger, or children. I will call local law enforcement and have them sent there, but without Rita being present I will not offer aid on my own. That goes double if there are children involved.

And that mortifies me, but the risk of having my life destroyed with false allegations is not worth it.

For the first time in my life I do not know what I will do if gunfire erupts in a public place where I am.

If a spree shooter attacks a public place where I am, or am near — I will get family and friends to safety, but after that I literally do not know.

Do I run to the sound of gunfire and solve the problem? I’ve already been the victim of wrongful prosecution once, do I risk that again? Do I take a chance going up against a protected class, and earning the “mostly peaceful” wrath of the howling mob, and a legacy media that lives for stirring up rioters?

The thought of engaging a murderer and losing was one that never bothered me. To take on a mass-murderer and get injured, crippled, or killed was a price that I have contemplated, and accepted.

To take on a mass-murderer and possibly have my name dragged through the mud by the Media; to be prosecuted by a District Attorney who may have political aspirations; to be investigated by a Grand Jury who would indict a ham sandwich if the DA wished it; and to be heard by a jury who cares more about feelings than facts …

I don’t know. And that shames me.

LawDog

Mind your own business.

I won’t help a unknown to me female unless her life is in obvious danger..

Got a flat? Call AAA.

I’m in the call a professional camp.

There are of course exceptions. I may well have saved a young man’s life early last winter. Walking way out in the country. Under dressed, 20mph wind driving snow in 20 degree temps. I’ve never encountered someone so cold they could not think or speak properly.

Many, many years ago I allowed a classmate to dissuade me from giving him a ride in a very similar situation. Later that evening he died of exposure. I have felt a certain degree of responsibility for that, I really could have been more forceful. I couldn’t do that twice.

Here's an infamous example of why guys need to mind their own business. Poor guy's life is ruined after a false accusation.

quote:

Good Samaritan plans to sue teenage girl for $1million after she LIED about him demanding sexual favours when he helped fix her car – costing him his job, his wife and landing him in jail

-Kenan Basic stopped to help a 19 year old woman with her car at service station
-Caitlyn Gray, 20, had a broken-down car and Mr Basic spent two hours fixing it
-They hugged and he followed her a short distance to make sure she was alright
-Days later Gray claimed Mr Basic stalked her and indecently assaulted her
-Mr Basic spent two weeks in prison, lost his job and is going through a divorce
-All charges were dropped against him after woman admitted to lying


A Good Samaritan whose life was ruined when a woman falsely accused him of sexual assault will sue her for $1 million.

Caitlyn Gray, 20, told police she was stalked, harassed, and eventually assaulted by Kenan Basic in Bankstown, Sydney, in November 2018.

The married father-of-one vehemently denied the allegations, but spent two weeks inside Silverwater jail in Sydney's west before Gray confessed she made it up.

The married father-of-one (pictured) vehemently denied the allegations, but spent two weeks inside Silverwater maximum security jail in Sydney's west before investigators realised Ms Gray had been lying

Mr Basic, 36, lost his job over Gray's allegations and is now in the process of getting divorced.

He will front court next month demanding police pay $15,000 in legal bills he accumulated defending himself, and told 7 News he would sue Gray for $1 million.

Gray alleged he demanded sexual favours and when denied groped her vagina and breasts after he helped fix her car when she pulled up to a BP petrol station after a crash.

'I always helped people, you know, all my life... and this is the first time the snake bit me,' he said earlier this week.

The young woman who claimed a Good Samaritan sexually assaulted her after helping her fix her car admitted in court she lied about the entire ordeal

Gray, now 20, pleaded guilty in Bankstown Local Court on Wednesday to lying about the assault.

Her mum stood by her as her lawyer Sabbagh Suliman asked to have the case adjourned long enough to obtain a psychological report, news.com.au reported.

Mr Basic previously said he was grateful to be free after all charges were dropped last Monday, but was now hesitant to help strangers.

Grey pulled into a BP service station after she had a minor car accident and met Mr Basic, who spent almost two hours helping get her car back on the road.

CCTV captured the interaction between the pair, but Gray told police he followed her after she drove away.


Mr Basic admitted he did follow her, but claimed he did so to ensure her car didn't break down again.

Gray, who was 19 at the time, claimed Mr Basic propositioned her for sex in return for fixing her car before forcing himself on her.

'No-one would ever expect that as a Good Samaritan you stop to assist a broken down motorist that then you would subsequently be charged with these serious offences,' Mr Basic's lawyer Mona El Baba previously said.

Gray will be sentenced on one count of knowingly making a false or misleading statement on June 25.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/ne...ssault-1million.html


Aren't women these days "Strong and Independent, don't need no man and are equal to a man", unless you're family or a friend, I'm minding my own business. Lots downsides to stepping in and "helping" the damsels in distress.

Several years ago I was trail running by myself in a canyon on Kauai. I encountered a couple on the trail and the woman asked me how often and when the "rescue squad" comes around. She was out of her depth, overweight, and in distress. He didn't seem to notice or care. I told her there would be no rescue without a call for one, and we were well out of cellphone coverage. I felt that I couldn't leave a couple of unprepared tourists to die, so I gave them most of my food and water and then hiked with them out of the canyon, delivering them to their car. Looking back on it, I certainly put myself in a situation with some personal risk.

I also help coach a youth MTB team, and we have a Strava group so everybody can see everybody else's rides. There's a middle school girl on the team who decided to follow me and comments on my activities. I applaud her enthusiasm, but I refuse to follow a 12 year old girl on a social media platform and comment on her activities. I kind of feel guilty not returning the high five, but it's not worth the risk.

It's a damn shame we now have to think this way.

Unless one knows the whole story, it is very hazardous to get involved in a "situation".

When my kids were in school, I was certain I would do whatever I could if something happened while I was on premises. Aside from that, my plan has always been to secure my family. Putting myself in physical or legal jeopardy for strangers in a situation in which I may have little or incorrect information is the opposite of securing my family.

These days pretty much everyone has a cell phone, so I am not inclined to stop to help someone with a flat tire. If there's an altercation of some sort, I'd call the police and be a good witness. It would take an exceptional situation for me to insert myself.

No way. Call the professionals

They have us all scared. I’m thankful that I live in an area where people help each other. Last night we had a bad storm. My neighbor was trying to cut a branch with a hacksaw. I went over with my reciprocating saw and helped her. I have to believe there is more good in the world than evil.

Most of Biden supporters are liberal women, plus some super liberal men. I agree, help in an emergency only. I helped someone with a severe health care problem once, then she used the justice to try to force me to have a relationship with her (really). Cost me $20,000 and hell for six months. So like others, I will back off helping the anti 2A liberals who created much of the problems they face.

I've helped others and some have stopped to help me, once when my alternator went out, guy stopped to help jump start me, I've done that plenty of times for guys or gals.

Like XD45man, I've helped others in the aftermath of storms but they are all neighbors and unlikely to file some kind of complaint.

Just depends on the situation...

quote:

Originally posted by ZSMICHAEL:
No way. Call the professionals

It's not unusual in rural areas near me to have a 20+ min response time for even things like fires. Trust me, it's a long wait when you are sitting there and nobody shows up right away.

There is a county south of me where there aren't even any LEO's on duty during certain days.

and horror stories to go with it.

I don't have a solution, but I thought I'd point out that the pros are not always going to be there depending on where you are.

For some this has factored in on the decision to get involved.

Regrettably, I agree with those who say, "call the professionals." Women wanted their "independence", so be it--fend for yourself. I will only help a LEO who asks for help or assistance, which I am required to do in some states. Too many legal and financial downsides today to getting involved in other people's business. FYI. I am a retired LEO and military officer. Unfortunately, this is the state of our nation today. As a fellow retired LEO puts it, "be a good witness".

It's a sad time when the smart thing to do collides with the right thing to do. I'm in the mind my own business camp but I suppose it could be a situational thing too. I've spent way to much time thinking about this stuff going back to the Aurora Colorado shooting.

Pretty easy for me. In my metro area, call the professionals. I’m not getting involved period. My rural land, which I want to move to, it switches to Good Samaritan and I will always help.

Last parts manager I worked for gave us a pep talk one day. In it he said “If you see a car broke down on the road and it has one of our dealer frames on it I damn well expect you to stop and help them!”

I thought “You first Skippy…..”


Seriously though, I’m not putting myself in a position to be falsely accused, to compromise my physical safety or my financial safety especially at my age. I’ll call 911 to report it and that’s the end of it there.

No situations are alike. There have been both good and bad outcomes (to the point of the Good Samaritans losing their lives). Never know how you're going to react, until you're in it, but the general rule, I agree, should be mind your business, unless your life is in danger.

Too many defective minds running around loose for me to feel safe offering much help to unknowns. Due to location is not uncommon to have folks stopping in front of the house with car trouble or lostness. I usually at least ask if I can do anything for them if they’ve been sitting there too long or seem to be actively trying to fix their own problem. A few have worried me with behavior, being stoned, or not all there mentally. Somehow these are the ones who end up in the driveway. Only one has warranted calling the police for his safety. I mostly only help to get them away asap.

Why are women incapable of changing a flat tire?

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Originally posted by SevenPlusOne:
Why are women incapable of changing a flat tire?

Feminism only works when air conditioned.

I just evaluate each situation separately . I've helped out people because I just got the feeling they really were in a bind . I've seen others that I knew it would be a bad idea to get involved .