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paradox in a box
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Thanks for clarifying Downtownv. I'm not trying to disparage your product. I just want people to understand what we are talking about. Registration is a bit more assurance that people are getting what they think they are getting. But it in no way relates to the effectiveness of that product to do anything.

It's clear from this thread that some people believe they have had positive effects from CBD. So even if it's just placebo effect, have at it.




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"...the statement similar to "These statements have not been evaluated by the FDA. This product is not intended to diagnose, treat or cure any disease.".

When you see those statements it is often a clear indication that the product is snake oil.

The saw palmetto I take to keep my prostate in check hasn't been evaluated by the FDA, yet it works.

The turmeric I take as part of my regimen to keep aches and pains in check hasn't been evaluated by the FDA, yet it seems to work.

The Super MiraForte I occasionally take to get my testosterone back up, when it sags, hasn't been evaluated by the FDA, yet it works.

The elderberry juice my wife and I take if we feel what feels like the onset of cold or flu or whatever hasn't been evaluated by the FDA, yet it seems to work.

And the CBD oil I take nightly hasn't been evaluated by the FDA, yet it works.

Red yeast rice has been used by millions, the world over, without problems, for hundreds of years. It has been shown to lower cholesterol. The FDA determined that red yeast rice containing monacolin K is essentially identical to a prescription drug and therefor banned it.

So who do you really think the FDA's looking out for?



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I'm merely clearing up the confusing statements companies use to sell their products. FDA registered does not mean it's been tested in patients. Clinical "Studies" is another term often used that is misleading. I'm not saying whether something works or not. I'm just trying to make sure the members here understand what they are reading.

As far as CBD, the claims for the number of issues it relieves is suspect. That's my personal skepticism on that one product.




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ensigmatic

I'm merely clearing up the confusing statements companies use to sell their products. FDA registered does not mean it's been tested in patients. Clinical "Studies" is another term often used that is misleading. I'm not saying whether something works or not. I'm just trying to make sure the members here understand what they are reading.

As far as CBD, the claims for the number of issues it relieves is suspect. That's my personal skepticism on that one product.


Correct and making ANY claims will get you in deep, deep, deep shit.

The term that is acceptable is: May Help with....xyz, abc, qrt etc.
We tested on epilesy, chemo treatments, neurologic diseasesi.e. MS and Parkinsons.
But no one is making any "Claims" but it was favorable on more than 60%, on average.
Epilex is registered, it is a Pharmacuetical synthetic CBD.

Again there are lots of studies on a particular subject from Medical Centers and Univerities on www.projectcbd.org
They also have a map indicating sources who have been certified, vetted and accredited on their site as well. These sellers are deemed verified. they are located through out the country. At least that points you in a better direction than a convenience store, vape shop or gas station.

I hope this info helps you guys.


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By the way, every single brand mentioned in this thread are NOT FDA registered, not one them....Where or how was it made or what's actually in it? Who knows?


A fancy well built website sells. 21st century version of a snake oil cure everything selling out of a wagon in the 19th century.

How about this site? https://papaandbarkleycbd.com/


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Originally posted by downtownv:
By the way, every single brand mentioned in this thread are NOT FDA registered, not one them....Where or how was it made or what's actually in it? Who knows?


A fancy well built website sells. 21st century version of a snake oil cure everything selling out of a wagon in the 19th century.

How about this site? https://papaandbarkleycbd.com/


Agree, Very nice but no claims, which is correct for this type of site. I do not know of them r their products.


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OK here's my personal experience.

My wife had brain surgery some 10 years ago, ever since she gets night time seizures every month or so. They are really bad, and will knock her out for days. Her muscles are just totally wiped out, like she just ran a marathon. And she can't get out of bed till maybe dinner time, and then it is just because she has to shower and eat. This lasts a couple days. She can't keep a job because of the sick time she needs to recover every month.

About 3-4 months ago, being a legalized state, we started her on 5mg THC/5mg CBD gummy every night before bed. She still gets the seizures, in fact just last night she had 2 of them at 1:30am and 2:45am. There's a difference though, tonight like the other times the last few months, she was out of bed by about 10am, and brought down the bedding to wash, and was able to function most of the day and eat, just needing to lie down for an hour or so after dinner. That's a huge improvement in recovery time.

The key is, not every ailment or issue can be helped by any particular treatment. Some peoples pain will respond to CBD treatments, others won't. Just like other meds, you have to work to find the one that helps you.


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Originally posted by downtownv:
By the way, every single brand mentioned in this thread are NOT FDA registered, not one them....Where or how was it made or what's actually in it? Who knows?


A fancy well built website sells. 21st century version of a snake oil cure everything selling out of a wagon in the 19th century.

How about this site? https://papaandbarkleycbd.com/


Agree, Very nice but no claims, which is correct for this type of site. I do not know of them r their products.


I asked about that site as my other half uses their balm on her hands and wrist for arthritis and it has helped her a lot. Two or three weeks ago she started using their Releaf Drops and says they have helped a lot, so I’m seriously thinking of trying their capsules to see if it helps the arthritis in my neck and shoulder so I can resume shooting rifles. Hope you let us know when your product is approved by the FDA.

Scroll down this page till you see the links to their products and see if that is what one should look for.

https://papaandbarkleycbd.com/pages/find-your-coa


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By the way, every single brand mentioned in this thread are NOT FDA registered, not one them....Where or how was it made or what's actually in it? Who knows?

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A fancy well built website sells. 21st century version of a snake oil cure everything selling out of a wagon in the 19th century.

How about this site? https://papaandbarkleycbd.com/


Agree, Very nice but no claims, which is correct for this type of site. I do not know of them r their products.


I asked about that site as my other half uses their balm on her hands and wrist for arthritis and it has helped her a lot. Two or three weeks ago she started using their Releaf Drops and says they have helped a lot, so I’m seriously thinking of trying their capsules to see if it helps the arthritis in my neck and shoulder so I can resume shooting rifles. Hope you let us know when your product is approved by the FDA.

Scroll down this page till you see the links to their products and see if that is what one should look for.

https://papaandbarkleycbd.com/pages/find-your-coa



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The labeling of many CBD products may be misleading because the products could contain higher levels of THC than what the product label states. The Food and Drug Administration (FDA) does not currently certify the levels of THC in CBD products, so there is no Federal oversight to ensure that the labels are accurate. The FDA has cautioned the public that: “Consumers should beware purchasing and using any [CBD] products.” The FDA has stated: “It is currently illegal to market CBD by adding it to a food or labeling it as a dietary supplement.”* Also, the FDA has issued several warning letters to companies because their products contained more CBD than indicated on the product label. **

The Department of Transportation’s Drug and Alcohol Testing Regulation, Part 40, does not authorize the use of Schedule I drugs, including marijuana, for any reason. Furthermore, CBD use is not a legitimate medical explanation for a laboratory-confirmed marijuana positive result. Therefore, Medical Review Officers will verify a drug test confirmed at the appropriate cutoffs as positive, even if an employee claims they only used a CBD product.

It remains unacceptable for any safety-sensitive employee subject to the Department of Transportation’s drug testing regulations to use marijuana. Since the use of CBD products could lead to a positive drug test result, Department of Transportation-regulated safety-sensitive employees should exercise caution when considering whether to use CBD products.

The contents of this document do not have the force and effect of law and are not meant to bind the public in any way. This document is intended only to provide clarity to the public regarding existing requirements under the law or agency policies. This policy and compliance notice is not legally binding in its own right and will not be relied upon by the Department as a separate basis for affirmative enforcement action or other administrative penalty. Conformity with this policy and compliance notice is voluntary only and nonconformity will not affect rights and obligations under existing statutes and regulations. Safety-sensitive employees must continue to comply with the underlying regulatory requirements for drug testing, specified at 49 CFR part 40.
 
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The labeling of many CBD products may be misleading because the products could contain higher levels of THC than what the product label states. The Food and Drug Administration (FDA) does not currently certify the levels of THC in CBD products, so there is no Federal oversight to ensure that the labels are accurate. The FDA has cautioned the public that: “Consumers should beware purchasing and using any [CBD] products.” The FDA has stated: “It is currently illegal to market CBD by adding it to a food or labeling it as a dietary supplement.”* Also, the FDA has issued several warning letters to companies because their products contained more CBD than indicated on the product label. **

The Department of Transportation’s Drug and Alcohol Testing Regulation, Part 40, does not authorize the use of Schedule I drugs, including marijuana, for any reason. Furthermore, CBD use is not a legitimate medical explanation for a laboratory-confirmed marijuana positive result. Therefore, Medical Review Officers will verify a drug test confirmed at the appropriate cutoffs as positive, even if an employee claims they only used a CBD product.

It remains unacceptable for any safety-sensitive employee subject to the Department of Transportation’s drug testing regulations to use marijuana. Since the use of CBD products could lead to a positive drug test result, Department of Transportation-regulated safety-sensitive employees should exercise caution when considering whether to use CBD products.

The contents of this document do not have the force and effect of law and are not meant to bind the public in any way. This document is intended only to provide clarity to the public regarding existing requirements under the law or agency policies. This policy and compliance notice is not legally binding in its own right and will not be relied upon by the Department as a separate basis for affirmative enforcement action or other administrative penalty. Conformity with this policy and compliance notice is voluntary only and nonconformity will not affect rights and obligations under existing statutes and regulations. Safety-sensitive employees must continue to comply with the underlying regulatory requirements for drug testing, specified at 49 CFR part 40.


ALL True, when most of these products are made in someone's kitchen and not under a regulated environment.
So long as people buy their product, it is the consumer that takes their chances. That's why I went the FDA Registration route.


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I have read CBD is the good one for pain and mood then. I have recently started using it. I don't know if the CBD oil is going to work as an anti inflammatory and for nerve healing but we'll give it a few months to see. It's an everyday dropper full (and has no THC). Keep you posted soon

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Why did you register here? Apparently, you have no interest in firearms. All I see is that you're shilling products, but that this probably isn't your first time here, since it seems you know that the instant you post a link to some product or other, you'll get nuked from this place.

You fit the pattern of a merchandise shill to the "t", especially since you are posting from outside of the United States.

Care to clarify? Lacking a response, I'm going to remove your posting rights.
 
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