Sorry Skins...

Thread went a little sideways.

Well bye. I live up here and that was a disgusting display. Rooting for the Astros to finish them off. Fuck the Nats.

Loudon county is probably home to the majority of the assholes yelling. I know you weren't, I get that, but NoVA is getting as bad as California.

Sports franchises, and fans of such, that bring politics into the game can go fuck themselves. You know who turned a non political thread political? The assholes that were rooting for the Nationals. Don't hate us for pointing that out.

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Originally posted by bigdeal:

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Originally posted by Tubetone:
I have a bit of a different take.

If it was Pelosi or Clinton or Schiff or Schumer, I would have booed.

It would be part of the fun of going out to a game.

Just like I'd laugh at the antics of a mascot carrying on.

Then, back to enjoying the competition on the field and rooting for my team.

An organized effort by those seeking to boo in a different competition, presidential politics, is just part of the spectacle of a large public gathering.

I don't see it as a reflection of anything about the Washington fans.

People feel strongly about the other horse near an election year.

What's wrong with simply showing a bit of class and adult demeanor and not clapping or booing when the president is introduced? Silence or quiet during that intro would get the point across without adults behaving like spoiled children.

Maybe you hit my problem nowadays. I'm not neutral. I have the freedom to be partisan all the time.

I just don't think the left can be non-partisan right now. So, neither will I.

I can easily have fine, adult conversations with grown up Democrats . . . and do.

But in public, vocal lines are drawn and I really don't wish to let it go at that.

In the ideal world, people would restrain themselves but I think, we the people, have kept our mouths shut and left our president to fight alone because this is not the ideal world.

At a ball game, it's a bit of an escapeist world to me. Cheering for a team and paying a thousand bucks or so for the pleasure of the spectacle is not exactly adult behavior to start with.

Why not spend the money on food or auto repairs or something practical?

We go to escape the bonds of the mundane and act accordingly.

We've endured the inappropriateness of protest at events as sacred and deeply moving as a burial service. Protest at the World Series is way down my list of places demanding decorum.

For those who see The World Series as hallowed ground, I can see how it could be seen differently. But, that's not me.

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Originally posted by Skins2881:
I love it when non political threads turn political and I have to bow out.

And just how often do you see that happen in this forum? How about next to never? How often do you see me address such things in this forum? How about several times each month? As soon as someone makes political comments in an apolitical thread, I am on it in a heartbeat and you know that's true. And besides, who do you think made that rule in this forum in the first place? And I've done a very, very good job of enforcing it.

Talk to your fellow Nationals fans for making this mess- the ones in that stadium last night. No one in this forum caused this mess. Do you honestly think that discussion of their behavior could be avoided?

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Originally posted by bigdeal:

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Originally posted by Tubetone:
I have a bit of a different take.

If it was Pelosi or Clinton or Schiff or Schumer, I would have booed.

It would be part of the fun of going out to a game.

Just like I'd laugh at the antics of a mascot carrying on.

Then, back to enjoying the competition on the field and rooting for my team.

An organized effort by those seeking to boo in a different competition, presidential politics, is just part of the spectacle of a large public gathering.

I don't see it as a reflection of anything about the Washington fans.

People feel strongly about the other horse near an election year.

What's wrong with simply showing a bit of class and adult demeanor and not clapping or booing when the president is introduced? Silence or quiet during that intro would get the point across without adults behaving like spoiled children.

Back in the '90s a friend of mine had an extra ticket and, out of the blue, asked me to go to a Baltimore Orioles game with him at Camden Yards. He was off that day, I was at work but was able to work half the day and then take the last half off and so we both went to the afternoon game.

We weren't aware of this prior to the game but President Clinton and his entourage arrived sometime around the 3rd or 4th inning and were briefly introduced on the stadium PA system, and then left sometime around the 7th or 8th inning. When the President arrived, there was a general clapping and sounds of approval from some of the fans. My friend and I, both Conservatives, said nothing and simply refrained from clapping.

About 20 or 30 minutes after President Clinton left there was a small localized group of fans clapping and shouts of approval and at first we were puzzled by this, but then we noticed a few uniformed men walking up a flight of steps, past seated fans, on their way out of the stadium seating carrying various bags and gear. It was the Secret Service sniper teams who had been providing over-watch while the president was in the stadium...and they received at least as much enthusiastic support from the fans closest to them, if not more, than the President did.

On a completely separate occasion, I was once invited to attend a private event in which President Clinton, Vice President Al Gore, and Secretary of Labor Robert Reich spoke and then met briefly with the attendees. I was placed at the head of the rope line and, despite the fact that I was far from a supporter of President Clinton or his team, I shook each of their hands and was very respectful in the moments that we spoke.

Whatever one feels about a President, I simply can't understand not at least showing respect, if not for the individual himself, at least for the office. If one can't show enough class or respect for duly elected leaders they certainly shouldn't expect any in return.

Civility...simple civility.

A measure of civility has been taken as license by the left.

We've had moments. I remember a simple statement of "You lie!" as setting off a firestorm of decorum discussions - even though the statement was true.

Historically, the president has not been above vociferous disapproval.

I remember seeing pictures of men showing up to the ball game in suit and tie. But, things have changed.

Now we have dudes painting their shirtless bodies blue in 30 degree temperatures and guys wearing foam cheese slices on their heads - to name just a few sports examples. In the 70s it seemed I couldn't watch a baseball game on TV that didn't have a streaker or two.

I appreciate your description of anecdotal decorum and your then-choice but times have changed.

Saying something, whether it's "boooo" or "You lie," is still what I'd give Obama, Clinton (either one) or a number of other people as sounds of disapproval in a public sports gathering.

What I may do at a diplomatic, academic, or professional function may be different.

That nut job in North Korea executes his citizens for not clapping hard enough.

President Trump is made of tougher stuff and can take it - especially in an election year. It's what comes with a people free to speak their minds.

The ball game, I reiterate, is not a location exempt from people expressing their views - at least to me. People say what they think.

Maybe a little less self-imposed "class" is what we need about now.

Quietness has bred more leftist antics in my view.

I think cheers should have drowned-out the reprobates. Did self-imposed silence leave the wrong impression?

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Originally posted by PR64:
Sorry Skins...

Thread went a little sideways.

Classlessness isn't limited to baseball stadiums.

People show their class and respect....or lack of in various ways.

Hoping the Nats get destroyed tonight, Conan-Style.

Just to pile on....

HEY NATS!!!

The nats brought this on themselves. Then it went viral. During the last Phillies series, we evidently crossed a line with Harper (involving his newborn) and pissed off his wife.

Ugh, this blows.

Anyway, still no news on Scherzer for game 7 (IF there is a game 7)

Strasburg will give it all he has, he always does. And hopefully our offense will return.

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Talk to your fellow Nationals fans for making this mess- the ones in that stadium last night. No one in this forum caused this mess. Do you honestly think that discussion of their behavior could be avoided?

Exactly.
Sure, it's a baseball thread...
But the baseball game includes everything that happens around the game in the stadium where it's played. After all, the game is not played in a vacuum. It's played for the entertainment of those watching. So the experience necessarily includes the appearance of the President and how he was treated by the fans.

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The nats brought this on themselves.

No.... It wasn't the Nats, it was their fans.
The team invited the President. The fans should have been more respectful. I realize it was only a vocal minority, but that's often enough to ruin something.

Fans booed Bill Clinton at a 1992 NASCAR race. Obama was booed at the 2009 All-Star game. Booing seems to be a fan right, part of the price of the ticket.

Heck, Philadelphia Eagles fans booed Santa Claus!

I find it interesting that some of the Leftwing media actually decries the behavior Trump received. Bloomberg says the chants of "lock him up" were ignoring and denigrating the rule of law. USAToday posted a similar denouncement.

Plus, as Don Trump Jr. said, "I’ll take boos from the leftist DC fan base and cheers from the great men and women of the United States Armed Forces any day of the week!"

Nats fans showing their ass will just make an Astros victory all the sweeter. Sweeping the 3 home games was fun by itself.

Hopefully tonights the night!

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Originally posted by fpuhan:

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Originally posted by PR64:
Thread went a little sideways.

Classlessness isn't limited to baseball stadiums.

You have something to say? Don't pull this sideways shit. Be a man. Speak up. What do you have to say? Go ahead.

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Originally posted by 610:
People show their class and respect....or lack of in various ways.

Meaning what? Don't be coy. Speak up. Say what you have to say, instead of making ridiculous statements like you just made. Obviously, you have something to say, but instead, you make some uttery menaningless statement. What's on your mind? Tell me about how awful it is that a thread about men throwing around a little ball was interrupted.

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Originally posted by parabellum:

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Originally posted by fpuhan:

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Originally posted by PR64:
Thread went a little sideways.

Classlessness isn't limited to baseball stadiums.

You have something to say? Don't pull this sideways shit. Be a man. Speak up. What do you have to say? Go ahead.

Sure.

There's a saying addictions counselors use: If you spot it, you've got it.

Saying "F*** [team name] AND ALL THEIR FANS" is demonstrating the same behavior exhibited by the classless in the stadium. Not all of them booed.

I don't vote Democrat. But that's not because I _hate_ them. It's because I do my research and decide they don't speak for me. If you paint me with the same brush as "all their fans," you are just being a sheep.

How very clever. Does that go for people who "spot", say, pedophiles? Riiiiight. Too bad it's the same "broad brush" you accuse other of using. Well, at least you finally showed some balls. And now, you can spend the next thirty days on Moderated Status. Apparently, you think this forum appeared out of nowhere and just runs itself. But, then, lots of people in this world are ungrateful.

And, of course, you ignored this statement of mine entirely:

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Originally posted by parabellum:
The only thing I'm sorry about is that we have good and America-loving members of this forum who are caught up in this through no fault of their own. I do not blame them, not at all...

I can see how you'd miss it in your grief about your special little team. Grown men tossing around a little ball is so very important, after all, unlike the fact that this nation is coming apart at the seams. I can see that you have your priorities in order.

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Originally posted by parabellum:
I can see how you'd miss it in your grief about your special little team. Grown men tossing around a little ball is so very important, after all, unlike the fact that this nation is coming apart at the seams. I can see that you have your priorities in order.

You asked for a response. That I didn't quote your slipstreamed comment doesn't mean I didn't notice it. There were others who weren't so obliging.

So, now that I replied to your request/command that I speak up, I'm on "moderated status?" I realize this is your forum and you make the rules, so I'm not going to argue.

If you can truthfully tell me that your snarking wasn't aimed at me, I'll remove the restriction on your posting rights. You must have an awfully low opinion of the police, with this "If you spot it, you've got it" crap. It's one of the functions of police officers to recognize certain behaviors, but according to you, any behavior the cops spot, they themselves are guilty of it as well, and that's bullshit. That's my function in the forum- a cop, and I don't appreciate your jabs when I ask you to speak plainly, when I can see that you're coming out with some sideways bullshit.

With nearly twenty years and nearly ninety thousand posts under my belt in this forum, I've just about seen it all, so any time a member tries to be cute, it sticks out to me like a sore thumb, but that doesn't mean I've "got" anything except a shit-ton of experience in running this place.

Your last post suggests that your barb wasn't aimed at me. Tell me this, and you're back in. Or, if you wish, things can remain as they are. Your choice, but, either way, I do not have to and I will not put up with crap from any member of this forum. I've invested too much of my time in this place to put up with that kind of thing.