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Get Off My Lawn |
When Prop 47 passed by a pretty decent margin in late 2014, literally the day after the election, my wife and I decided to get the ball rolling and get the hell out of CA. We were dumbfounded and royally pissed off that a population would be stupid enough to pass something like this. Prop 47 was marketed as the Safe Neighborhood and Schools Act, and the masses fell for it, showing the sheer stupidity of the electorate. They didn't read the provisions and bill itself, it was all plain in black & white. It basically decriminalized dozens of felonies, the political explanation was this was an effort to stop sending blacks to prison. So all of the crime in CA, the non prosecution of thefts, shoplifting, masses of kids looting a store clean, car break ins, burglaries, drug crimes, etc, it is all because the voters wanted this, they voted for this insanity. "I’m not going to read Time Magazine, I’m not going to read Newsweek, I’m not going to read any of these magazines; I mean, because they have too much to lose by printing the truth"- Bob Dylan, 1965 | |||
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Beyond the idiots who voted it in, the insanity to me is that the retailers (ALL of them) don't just pack it in totally and leave the state. Who in hell would be stupid enough to go in after them? | |||
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Let's be real. Retailers are still making money. It's not like they don't have insurance. They might go the way of the drug stores in SF with everything locked in cases but they'll stay put as long as there's money to be made. | |||
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NY lawmakers pass controversial bill to seal most criminal records NY/NJ liberals are always insecure, feel like they're always coming in second to CA. Take that! | |||
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| Get my pies outta the oven!  |
Until they don’t when the insurance companies get fed up with having to pay out for this bullshit. Didn’t State Farm just announce they aren’t offering any new policies in California? | |||
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When I worked retail we we did the same thing however we called it, customer servicing them out the door. The Second Amendment to the United States Constitution. A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. As ratified by the States and authenticated by Thomas Jefferson, Secretary of State NRA Life Member | |||
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Ugh. That must hurt...   Who do you think is actually paying for this, it's not the stores, they pass all those costs on to the consumers. Until they can't, then they just close. Walmart recently closed 4 of their stores in Chicago, half of the stores in that city. I know, it's just stuff, they have insurance... __________________________________ NRA Benefactor I lost all my weapons in a boating, umm, accident. http://www.aufamily.com/forums/ | |||
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| Thank you Very little  |
This is why Prop ballots, constitutional amendments should be stopped, it allows special interest groups to propose changes to laws that in most cases (CA excluded) lawmakers know wouldn't pass. They are written in such a way that laypeople can't determine what they really mean, and news agencies do not report both sides of the argument nor what the potential bad side could be. | |||
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State Farm walked on homeowner policies. They made a business decision. Other insurers may follow. I'd bet retail theft coverage is very different than homeowner coverage. Insurance rates will go up. That cost will get passed along to all of us. There's no wake up call coming for my neighbors until each one of them has to pay a personal cost in blood for their policy preferences. They shrug off broken car windows and stolen electronics. Broken bones might change their tune. | |||
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I would leave the state if I were a retailer there. ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ | |||
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| drop and give me 20 pushups |
Place ALL products in cases behind closed and locked doors and must be escorted around the property...If the person shopping breaks into the case no matter what is in the case that the cost of all the items that were now accessable then their cost would be added together to boost the threshold for charges..... Commiefornia at its best ............................ drill sgt. | |||
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Told cops where to go for over 29 years… |
So serious question - at what point does BEING prosecuted for something when SO many other crimes are not prosecuted becomes a constitutional violation under equal protection clause for the criminal? If they decline to prosecute this set of misdemeanors, how can they prosecute another subset of misdemeanors subject to same penalties? For the victims, same question. If the victim of one crime is told “Too bad, we aren’t prosecuting the one who victimized you” how does that square for the victims whose have the crimes perpetrated on them be charged and prosecuted? Some are evidently more “equal” than others. Maybe all of these decline to prosecute “prosecutors” should go into criminal DEFENSE practice if their desire is to let people get away with criminal conduct. What part of "...Shall not be infringed" don't you understand???  | |||
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| That rug really tied the room together.  |
Retail does NOT have insurance on this. There might be certain boutique retailers that insure a certain portion of their inventory, but I can assure you that the largest (Walmart, Target, Home Depot, etc) retailers do not insure items in a store against theft. They "self insure", meaning they just eat the cost. Margin in retail averages about 1-3%, so if theft skyrockets in a certain city, the thefts kill all of the profit margin and turn a store into a money loser. Larger corporations with thousands of stores can absorb the thefts for a bit, but would be smart to close stores that are losing money. Capitalism and all. (My wife is a high level corporate retail manager. I overhear a lot of zoom meetings, sales meetings, etc, so I get to hear front and center info on these topics) ______________________________________________________ Often times a very small man can cast a very large shadow | |||
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. About $100 sales tax per $950 | |||
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Have you ever dealt with business insurance policies? I have. It have very high deductibles, like $50,000 or $100,000 per occurrence. Lowest deductible we had on our policies was on auto. That was $5,000 per occurrence. | |||
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| The success of a solution usually depends upon your point of view |
I would like to see a retailer or an insurance company sue the state to recover losses from shoplifting levels that the state would not prosecute. Even if the lawsuit did not go anywhere, i think the dollar amounts involved would shock people. “We truly live in a wondrous age of stupid.” - 83v45magna "I think it's important that people understand free speech doesn't mean free from consequences societally or politically or culturally." -Pranjit Kalita, founder and CIO of Birkoa Capital Management | |||
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| Lawyers, Guns and Money  |
So, the retailer stands to make $10-30 profit IF he gets paid for the goods, while the sales tax (which the retailer is responsible for collecting) is $100? And the retailer takes all of the risk of theft and is out the full $950 on the theft? And the city or state prosecutor won't uphold their end of the bargain, in this so called civil society? I think we are witnessing the unraveling of civil society. I hope it can be walled off and contained, but it won't quickly rebuild. "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." -- Justice Janice Rogers Brown "The United States government is the largest criminal enterprise on earth." -rduckwor | |||
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| Get Off My Lawn |
Yeah, tell that to Whole Foods, Nordstroms, Office Depot, various CVS and Walgreens stores, H&M, The Gap, Crate & Barrel, etc. etc. Oh wait...how about Westfield Mall in downtown SF...they're giving up their mall to its lender. https://abc7news.com/westfield...om-closure/13373746/ "I’m not going to read Time Magazine, I’m not going to read Newsweek, I’m not going to read any of these magazines; I mean, because they have too much to lose by printing the truth"- Bob Dylan, 1965 | |||
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There is tremendous voter fraud in Cali. Officially they voted to overturn Prop 13, which saved many homeowners from excessive taxation passed by counties. Almost definitely this was just the Dems passing laws that people voted against. Same as Maxine Waters, a despised Congressman from L.A., getting 6x as many votes as her opponent. CA is run top to bottom by the Dems, and any law they want is "voted" in. -c1steve | |||
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