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Originally posted by craglawnmanor:

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Originally posted by flesheatingvirus:
There is so much money being made in the cancer business that I don't see a magical cure any time soon.

BINGO!!!
Too much money to be made to find a cure.

I've had Type 1 Diabetes for almost 35 years. I was recently discussing Diabetes costs, potential for cures, etc. with a young friend of mine who's had Type 1 for about 20 years (he's in his early 30's). Even though there has been progress in the treatment, he was adamant that a cure would never be "discovered", because there is too much money being made in diabetes treatment.
I researched, and saw a figure on the ADA website stating that Diabetes (both Type 1 & Type 2) costs Americans $327 Billion per year.
Yep, too much money to be made.

You know you're about this close to saying they're hiding the carburator and engine that runs on water.

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Originally posted by Bisleyblackhawk:
But...from my mouth/mind/thoughts to the Ear Of God...may it be true!...coming from someone that has suffered the heartbreak of this curse...if it comes from God's chosen people, the sweeter the gift!

AMEN!!

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Originally posted by 380Swift:

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Originally posted by craglawnmanor:

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Originally posted by flesheatingvirus:
There is so much money being made in the cancer business that I don't see a magical cure any time soon.

BINGO!!!
Too much money to be made to find a cure.

I've had Type 1 Diabetes for almost 35 years. I was recently discussing Diabetes costs, potential for cures, etc. with a young friend of mine who's had Type 1 for about 20 years (he's in his early 30's). Even though there has been progress in the treatment, he was adamant that a cure would never be "discovered", because there is too much money being made in diabetes treatment.
I researched, and saw a figure on the ADA website stating that Diabetes (both Type 1 & Type 2) costs Americans $327 Billion per year.
Yep, too much money to be made.

You do realize the person who finds a cure would be worth hundreds of billions of dollars right?

Not necessarily. It would be more likely that a corporation would make such a discovery. They would own all the rights to such a cure. We would be better off if it were the hands of individuals since they have different motivations.

Plus, which has a more sustainable long-term profit margin: curing a disease or continuously treating it?

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Originally posted by flesheatingvirus:

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Originally posted by 380Swift:

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Originally posted by craglawnmanor:

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Originally posted by flesheatingvirus:
There is so much money being made in the cancer business that I don't see a magical cure any time soon.

BINGO!!!
Too much money to be made to find a cure.

I've had Type 1 Diabetes for almost 35 years. I was recently discussing Diabetes costs, potential for cures, etc. with a young friend of mine who's had Type 1 for about 20 years (he's in his early 30's). Even though there has been progress in the treatment, he was adamant that a cure would never be "discovered", because there is too much money being made in diabetes treatment.
I researched, and saw a figure on the ADA website stating that Diabetes (both Type 1 & Type 2) costs Americans $327 Billion per year.
Yep, too much money to be made.

You do realize the person who finds a cure would be worth hundreds of billions of dollars right?

Not necessarily. It would be more likely that a corporation would make such a discovery. They would own all the rights to such a cure. We would be better off if it were the hands of individuals since they have different motivations.

Plus, which has a more sustainable long-term profit margin: during a disease or continuously treating it?

As long as there are people, there will be cancer. So, it makes seense that curing it will always be profitable. The article doesn't say that the cure gives immunity, or that it prevents future occurrances.

As long as the causes for cancers exist, a cure would be long term profitable. Moreso probably than treatments, because treatments result in fewer future customers than a cure.

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Originally posted by flesheatingvirus:
There is so much money being made in the cancer business that I don't see a magical cure any time soon.

THIS⬆︎☝️☝️☝

Being in the biotech field I kind of get sick of people claiming we don't want to find cures. My company is spending billions on gene therapy to cure the diseases that we now treat and get incredible profit from the treatment. The people, researchers, all have family with disease, with cancer, with all the horror and pain that these diseases cause. Corporate greed exists. But I assure you no one is ignoring potential cures because they want to make a buck.

It'd be really amazing to be alive when something like this breakthrough occurs.

That being said, it's nuts how when this kind of thing comes up people make Alex Jones type comments.

"BIG-CANCER would never allow this!"

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Originally posted by Sig209:
People say 'cure for cancer' like it's all the same.

very complicated disease state that I don't think there is - or will ever be - a 'magic bullet' that cures it all

i hope they prove me wrong

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Agreed. I would love to be wrong, but I'd offer long odds that they can cure all cancer.

A miracle cure for Hepatitis has been released.

I will never understand why people say there's too much money in treating cancer, so no one will ever find a cure. All I can assume is that these folks don't have much experience in business?

The largest fear for any company who is involved in treating cancer is that someone other than them will cure cancer before they do. If you're sitting back curing cancer and not looking for a cure, you're an idiot. A cure puts you out of business. If you find the cure first, you put everyone else who is merely treating cancer out of business.

Everyone who runs a company knows that to survive and thrive, you must have a competitive advantage. You also know that a competitive advantage does not last long. Depending on what it is, it's say from 3 years to 8 years. So you're constantly looking to improve and you're constantly worried that your competition will beat you to the next advantage.

Everyone with half a brain in a board room knows that the status quo does not last long. No one thinks the future of their company is treating cancer indefinitely.

Its real. This is very similar to how HepC and is now curable in a certain percentage of those sick with it. It's a race to patent and find the actual treatment. The idea of how to stop the virus or cancer from replicating via piercing the actual genetic envelope itself exists. the news isn't fake. everyone wants to be the first to declare they have the treatment. It will go through several iterations, but it is very exciting to see it happening. At the very least to some cancers and other viruses like Hep C.

give them a chance - in the scheme of things I think its worth it to give them a year - thats a very short window

and yes, the FDA will probably stonewall it for another decade even when the rest of the world is benefiting from it

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Originally posted by wreckdiver:

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Originally posted by Bisleyblackhawk:
But...from my mouth/mind/thoughts to the Ear Of God...may it be true!...coming from someone that has suffered the heartbreak of this curse...if it comes from God's chosen people, the sweeter the gift!

AMEN!!

Dayenu!

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Originally posted by 380Swift:

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Originally posted by craglawnmanor:

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Originally posted by flesheatingvirus:
There is so much money being made in the cancer business that I don't see a magical cure any time soon.

BINGO!!!
Too much money to be made to find a cure.

I've had Type 1 Diabetes for almost 35 years. I was recently discussing Diabetes costs, potential for cures, etc. with a young friend of mine who's had Type 1 for about 20 years (he's in his early 30's). Even though there has been progress in the treatment, he was adamant that a cure would never be "discovered", because there is too much money being made in diabetes treatment.
I researched, and saw a figure on the ADA website stating that Diabetes (both Type 1 & Type 2) costs Americans $327 Billion per year.
Yep, too much money to be made.

You do realize the person who finds a cure would be worth hundreds of billions of dollars right?

Unless the cure is very simple and free. I'm not saying this is it, but there is great research and anecdotal evidence of fasting as a viable cure to type 2 diabetes. Docs don't push it because there is no money in it and it doesn't take a medical degree to say, "stop eating for a few days and then go down to one meal a day."

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Originally posted by Cous2492:
Unless the cure is very simple and free. I'm not saying this is it, but there is great research and anecdotal evidence of fasting as a viable cure to type 2 diabetes. Docs don't push it because there is no money in it and it doesn't take a medical degree to say, "stop eating for a few days and then go down to one meal a day."

If most of us that have type 2 had the will-power to adjust our diets enough to cure it, we would probably have adjusted our diets enough to prevent getting it in the first place.

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Originally posted by Johnny 3eagles:
And it'll take 10 years for the FDA.gov to fart around before approval.

Yes! It drives me nuts how other countries have already approved known working drugs or procedures that work, yet our country delays the shit out of it.

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Originally posted by flesheatingvirus:
There is so much money being made in the cancer business that I don't see a magical cure any time soon.

I used to think this way, but not sure I do anymore. I think eventually some pharmaceutical company will formulate the cure, and then they'll charge a lot. There's money to be made in the cure too.

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Originally posted by 380Swift:
You do realize the person who finds a cure would be worth hundreds of billions of dollars right?

It won't be a person, it will be company, and when they do, they'll be the most powerful pharmaceutical company in the world. I don't know that there will be a 'one size fits all' cancer cure though.

I truly hope that one day, even after I'm long gone, that someone finds a cure. Cancer has taken my mother and father, I'm high risk for colon cancer and my mother-in-law was just recently diagnosed with throat and liver cancer one right after the other. It's a terrible, terrible disease.

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Originally posted by Cous2492:

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Originally posted by 380Swift:

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Originally posted by craglawnmanor:

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Originally posted by flesheatingvirus:
There is so much money being made in the cancer business that I don't see a magical cure any time soon.

BINGO!!!
Too much money to be made to find a cure.

I've had Type 1 Diabetes for almost 35 years. I was recently discussing Diabetes costs, potential for cures, etc. with a young friend of mine who's had Type 1 for about 20 years (he's in his early 30's). Even though there has been progress in the treatment, he was adamant that a cure would never be "discovered", because there is too much money being made in diabetes treatment.
I researched, and saw a figure on the ADA website stating that Diabetes (both Type 1 & Type 2) costs Americans $327 Billion per year.
Yep, too much money to be made.

You do realize the person who finds a cure would be worth hundreds of billions of dollars right?

Unless the cure is very simple and free. I'm not saying this is it, but there is great research and anecdotal evidence of fasting as a viable cure to type 2 diabetes. Docs don't push it because there is no money in it and it doesn't take a medical degree to say, "stop eating for a few days and then go down to one meal a day."

My wife has been a Type One diabetic for 60 years. If she doesn't eat every single day, three times a day she will die.

A cure for cancer? Despite one company’s claims, many experts are uncertain

https://www.jpost.com/HEALTH-S...are-uncertain-579362

“We must be aware that this is far from proven as an effective treatment for people with cancer, let alone a cure,” Dr. J. Leonard
Lichtenfeld.

Experts are pushing back against claims by two Israeli scientists that they have discovered a cure for cancer. The original claim, published in Tuesday’s Jerusalem Post, went viral, reaching millions of Internet views while making international headlines.

“We must be aware that this is far from proven as an effective treatment for people with cancer, let alone a cure,” Dr. J. Leonard Lichtenfeld, deputy chief medical officer for the national office of the American Cancer Society, wrote on his blog.
Lichtenfeld pointed out that the article was simply a news report based on information provided by the researchers, but that the research had not yet been published in scientific literature “where it would be subject to review, support and/or criticism from knowledgeable peers.”

Lichtenfeld also said he spoke with colleagues who believe that the technology presented by Accelerated Evolution Biotechnologies Ltd. (AEBi) could be very powerful, but also more difficult to work with than the company maintained as research progresses from in vitro to animal to human trials.

“If this group is just beginning clinical trials, they may well have some difficult experiments ahead,” he wrote.

In Tuesday’s story, AEBi’s chairman of the board, Dan Aridor, and its CEO, Dr. Ilan Morad, maintained that their treatment, which they call MuTaTo (multi-target toxin), is essentially on the scale of a cancer antibiotic – a disruption technology of the highest order. In the story, Morad said that the company has concluded its first exploratory mice experiment in addition to several in-vitro trials. AEBi, he said, was on the cusp of beginning a round of clinical trials which could be completed within a few years and would make the treatment available in specific cases.

Despite their enthusiasm, publications across the United States and Israel rejected the report, insisting that it is – as Victoria Forster, a health care reporter for Forbes maintained – “categorically untrue.”

Forester quoted Dr. Benjamin G. Neel, a professor of medicine at the NYU School of Medicine, who said anything tested in mice must undergo testing in other animal species, be formulated, and then approved for administration in Phase I clinical trials in humans.

Forester drew the conclusion that “based on what they released to the media,” AEBi will not have a cure for cancer, and their claims are “highly irresponsible and even cruel.”

The Post presented the criticism to Aridor and Morad, who nevertheless maintained that “It will be available for testing on humans in a year, and it will be a complete cure – for the first time, a complete cure.”

Morad said that with the right budget, it will not take much more than one year to reach clinical trials, and “when we reach clinical trials, we can treat patients.”

“I hear many rejections that it is not possible to develop a drug so fast. But we did not say we will develop the drug and get its approval,” Morad continued. “We said we can treat and cure people.”

The team said that the company has presented and been subject to peer review, namely at three Drug Discovery Innovation Program conferences in Munich, Boston and Frankfurt. Major pharmaceutical companies attend those events, they said, including representatives from industry leaders Zoetic, Ultragenyx and Sundia, for example.

AEBi maintained they have not published in a scientific journal - another point raised by critics - because they are a privately-owned company and are still in the process of generating final patents on their intellectual property. They said they have patents on their platform in the European Union and Israel, and hope to have one in the United States soon.

The Post reached out to some 10 additional scientists and researchers, including hospitals and oncologists, most of whom did not want to comment on the record and felt that AEBi’s sweeping claims went too far.

But Dr. Moshik Cohen-Kutner, co-founder and CEO of Omnix Medical, said that while he does not know the company well enough to comment on whether they have a cure for cancer, “I do know that peptide-based drugs are very promising.”

“The technology of AEBi might be a cure for cancer because of the personalized route they are aiming for using selective peptides,” he continued. “It is only recently that the technology involving peptides has reached a point in which it is relatively easy to research. Peptides have the ability to cure human diseases.”

He told the Post that “robust and scientifically sound” projects may take one to two years to get from mice trials to human trials, providing there is adequate funding.

Nonetheless, as Lichtenfeld maintained in his blog post, “We hope this approach… bears fruit and is successful. At the same time, we must always offer a note of caution that the process to get this treatment from mouse to man is not always a simple and uncomplicated journey.”

The Jerusalem Post will follow up with AEBi in 12 months.