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no, p o bought some cheap wheels!!

i doubt seriously if it was the tire machine....no gouges on other wheels!!

Regardless of whether there are 'gouges on the other wheels' or not, it most certainly could've been done by the tire machine/tire jockey.

Aftermarket wheels are often lighter, less durable and less resistant to abuse that factory/OEM wheels. In this case, lighter means less metal, and thinner rim lips. Niche makes a quality wheel...Just sayin' Wink


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Posts: 9698 | Location: New Hampshire | Registered: October 29, 2011Reply With QuoteReport This Post
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What size are those tires.


275/50 R22

That is the factory size for this model of Suburban.
 
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Originally posted by airbubba:
no, p o bought some cheap wheels!!

i doubt seriously if it was the tire machine....no gouges on other wheels!!

Regardless of whether there are 'gouges on the other wheels' or not, it most certainly could've been done by the tire machine/tire jockey.

Aftermarket wheels are often lighter, less durable and less resistant to abuse that factory/OEM wheels. In this case, lighter means less metal, and thinner rim lips. Niche makes a quality wheel...Just sayin' Wink


yes, by the original installer of the niche wheels, not necessarily costco!!
 
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^^^Do you work at Costco or something?

The OP could not have been driving around on that wheel in that condition for very long...Likely just long enough to get to the dealership for the alignment and back home! Clearly what's pictured by the OP is not the result of curb rash, or some other impact. Though there's too much grease pen/crayon on the wheel obscuring things, what I see is two adjacent perfectly straight lines (on two defined edges on the outside of the rim lip) where something was used to lever the bead of the tire out/up to clear the rim lip, and the wheel cracked as a result...I believe that the somebody that used the something to cause that damage works at Costco!

Though a 50 Aspect Ratio Sidewall (137.5mm on a 275) isn't crazy low/short, it is VERY stiff, and difficult to mount, especially on a 22" wheel. The shitty 'wrong' type of Rim Clamp Tire Machine, which likely requires to operator to 'lever' the bead over the movable fulcrum on a stiff/short sidewall tire, can result in contact with the wheel lip, especially since that mechanism gets sloppy over time on a high mileage machine.

I watched a guy that was using the Coats machine set it up, and then with both hands pull down with nearly all his weight on the tire iron/lever to get it started. I stopped him right there before he did any harm and questioned what machine they were using, and why he was doing what he was doing. He replied that 'all tire shops use this same machine', which I now know to be absolutely incorrect. Knowing I was watching him, he was careful and properly mounted the tire with no adverse effects. He even had to break the bead and re-index the tire on the wheel twice to get the balance on the Road Force machine just right. Unfortunately, a Tire Jockey outside of my field of view was working on the other wheel/tire, and the pic I posted was the result of that idiots efforts. I'm fortunate in that the Rotiform BLQ has very thick wheel lips other wise I may not have been so lucky and perhaps has a cracked wheel lip like the OP. In this instance I was only replacing two tires, which was a completely unplanned service (All Seasons for winter use), and my regular shop couldn't do the work as soon as I needed. Those wheels are already chipped up a bit anyway due to the rim lip being exposed as the tire is 'slightly' stretched on that wheel, though it's still a mfr. approved wheel width for the tire. We plan to get those wheels refinished (Powder Coated) anyway, otherwise that shop would have been held responsible for the damage!


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Being a used vehicle purchased recently, I suspect that it is prior damage that just manifested during the tire change. Since you did not hit anything hard, and it appears Costco was properly changing the tire, that's my conclusion.
 
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Clearly what's pictured by the OP is not the result of curb rash, or some other impact.



Looks like something impacted it to me. Two points along the rim which are in the same area, but not the same uniform damage, and once along the spoke of the rim running downward. The crack runs across to that spoke, then up and through it if you zoom in on it.


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Take it over to Olimpits Tire Repair, close to the WP Costco, that's where they send people with problem rims. My 20's had an issue with holding air, it's the chrome wheels that do it over time and they fixed two of them up, or King Wheel Repair, haven't used them.

They at least might give you advice on what happened, might be able to repair it and you could keep it as a spare...
 
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They at least might give you advice on what happened, might be able to repair it and you could keep it as a spare...


That was my thought, if I can repair it cheap I can hang onto it for any future issues.
 
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From the photo, the rim is destroyed.

Don't try to weld that.


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The tire instaler didn't notice that?
He did it.


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There is zero chance I'm putting family in a vehicle at speed on that wheel after a repair. Just not worth it.

Hopefully those wheels aren't out of production and you can get a single. If not eBay and other online searches probably your friend.



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275/50 R22

That is the factory size for this model of Suburban.

One, that’s kind of cool that you got a low tire notification on your phone when they started working.

I don’t think the 50 series on that size wheel is all that low profile. I just checked and our Explorer with 21” wheels has as much tire between the wheel and road as the 60 series tires on the New Beetle. The minivan has 60 series and even the F350 has 65 series.

I hit a curb leaving the cruise ship terminal in Miami and the edge damage looks a bit yours:



Not a direct hit, but rather I turned too soon and the tire crawled up the side of the curb. Your wheel looks like someone did the same thing I did.

Does Costco have cameras in their tire bay and parking lot? I doubt you were driving on a crack like that and Costco didn’t notice when they changed the tire. Did you see them drive your vehicle out of the bay into the parking lot? I’d be asking Costco to review their cameras. I’d also be asking the dealership to do the same.

Lastly, you can tell your wheel is cast aluminum and not forged because it cracked. Forged aluminum would bend. The stock wheels are cast as well. If your wheels are lighter than the stock wheels, then they are weaker than the stock wheels. The only way to make them lighter using the same material is to use less material.
 
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As a point of information, forged aluminum most certainly can crack.




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I defer to your superior knowledge and experience.
 
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From the photo, the rim is destroyed.

Don't try to weld that.

Looks like tire mounting damage related to incompetence and/or a really (very) bad mistake. Agree with Mars, unless a true rim repair expert tells you it can be safely repaired, IF it would be worth the repair expense, my guess is you might replace the wheel for less $ than repairing it. Also, I wouldn't trust Costco tire mounters to mount rubber on NICE wheels. Regular steel wheels maybe, but not for any expensive aluminum wheels. I've purchased tires from Sams Club and drove them to my trusted shop for mounting. I don't trust anyone using guns exclusively without torque sticks, torque wrenches etc. That alone is a BIG red flag. I seriously doubt they have those kinds of guys and tools mounting tires at Costco, even though I could be wrong, though I really doubt it.

What a bummer though. I hope you get traction in some way or another.




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^^^Do you work at Costco or something?

The OP could not have been driving around on that wheel in that condition for very long...Likely just long enough to get to the dealership for the alignment and back home! Clearly what's pictured by the OP is not the result of curb rash, or some other impact. Though there's too much grease pen/crayon on the wheel obscuring things, what I see is two adjacent perfectly straight lines (on two defined edges on the outside of the rim lip) where something was used to lever the bead of the tire out/up to clear the rim lip, and the wheel cracked as a result...I believe that the somebody that used the something to cause that damage works at Costco!

Though a 50 Aspect Ratio Sidewall (137.5mm on a 275) isn't crazy low/short, it is VERY stiff, and difficult to mount, especially on a 22" wheel. The shitty 'wrong' type of Rim Clamp Tire Machine, which likely requires to operator to 'lever' the bead over the movable fulcrum on a stiff/short sidewall tire, can result in contact with the wheel lip, especially since that mechanism gets sloppy over time on a high mileage machine.

I watched a guy that was using the Coats machine set it up, and then with both hands pull down with nearly all his weight on the tire iron/lever to get it started. I stopped him right there before he did any harm and questioned what machine they were using, and why he was doing what he was doing. He replied that 'all tire shops use this same machine', which I now know to be absolutely incorrect. Knowing I was watching him, he was careful and properly mounted the tire with no adverse effects. He even had to break the bead and re-index the tire on the wheel twice to get the balance on the Road Force machine just right. Unfortunately, a Tire Jockey outside of my field of view was working on the other wheel/tire, and the pic I posted was the result of that idiots efforts. I'm fortunate in that the Rotiform BLQ has very thick wheel lips other wise I may not have been so lucky and perhaps has a cracked wheel lip like the OP. In this instance I was only replacing two tires, which was a completely unplanned service (All Seasons for winter use), and my regular shop couldn't do the work as soon as I needed. Those wheels are already chipped up a bit anyway due to the rim lip being exposed as the tire is 'slightly' stretched on that wheel, though it's still a mfr. approved wheel width for the tire. We plan to get those wheels refinished (Powder Coated) anyway, otherwise that shop would have been held responsible for the damage!


no i don't but thanks for asking!!
 
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Looks like Costco busted your rim and Sig Forum busted Costco. They ain't getting nothing over on the Members of this Forum. And, nhracecraft, yer awsome sir. Costco needs to step up and replace that rim. Perhaps updating their tire mount equipment and training their people to do the job correctly.
 
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Not a direct hit, but rather I turned too soon and the tire crawled up the side of the curb. Your wheel looks like someone did the same thing I did.

Does Costco have cameras in their tire bay and parking lot? I doubt you were driving on a crack like that and Costco didn’t notice when they changed the tire. Did you see them drive your vehicle out of the bay into the parking lot? I’d be asking Costco to review their cameras. I’d also be asking the dealership to do the same.



What you are seeing is the white grease pen used to mark the crack. I wiped that off, here is a better picture;
 
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OP here.

In the end, after looking at the crack more closely, I do not see anyway it could be repaired, it's too large and covers too much area.

The new rim was delivered to my house today so I will have it installed tomorrow. I'll tell them to throw away the old one.

What happened that caused the crack? Realistically, we will probably never know. The guesses early in the thread of metal fatigue or manufacture defect are probably the best guesses.
 
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