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Originally posted by asonie:
It is a DEMOCRAT problem.

This. Here's an article from 2014 that explores that fact: http://www.americanthinker.com...ats_kill_people.html

Crime is EXTREMELY concentrated in specific zip codes in this country.

Subtract out those few areas - inner city, dense, crime-ridden - and gun crime in the USA - population over 350 million - is practically zero.

Main stream media won't report it that way though.

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Originally posted by lbj:
I have seen some estimates as high as 4 million firearms reside with civilians here in the US.

That is a very low number. You figure the NRA has over 2 million members. If each of those members has only 2 firearms that is 4 million firearms in the USA. There are more people that are NOT part of the NRA that also own firearms. Like someone mentioned probably more like 300-400 million firearms. God Bless

300,000,000 guns is a pretty low estimate. It's an easy search to see where some of this info comes from, here's one that shows 394 to 310 million in 2011 and a pretty good write up on the fuzzy numbers required to get there.

Manufacturing has increased to 10 million annually over the following seven years or so since the survey and we import another 2.5 million plus and the 300 million number gets left in the dust. Add to that the base of the initial estimates came from surveys and the dust gets absolutely distant.

We've asked on the forum many times how many of us have ever positively responded to a poll on guns, or even given a neighbor an honest answer. Few, by my recall.

Some members here regularly shoot guns that are a hundred years old, neither pollsters or neighbors will believe that either, but an '03 or an Enfield will shoot a group that will impress the kids and they were born before my father. So the 'supply' tends not to wear out.

So maybe the right answer to the question, 'How many guns are in America might be:
A) Way more than 300,000,000
B) about 11
C) Bite me
According to your level of patience with people that only want this stat so they can roll it up and beat you about the head and neck with it.

True statement by wishfull thinker about old guns.

I have a 10 guns made between 1886 and 1936.

I have 6 more guns made during WWII.

All of them function at least minimally (some of the late 1800's revolvers are in pretty rough shape...), and all have ammunition available.

Regulating such things would be nearly impossible. There are no records, many do not have serial numbers because they were not required at the time, and if you think about it, they really aren't large. Making them hard to find isn't all that difficult.

It's a good thing that America's gun owners are generally very law abiding, because if they were not, this country would be ungovernable.

Contrast us with Mexico who have nearly banned guns by honest citizens via excessive regulation. They just had a record year of murders. It's out of control down there. Criminals don't follow gun laws is the shocking finding of that.

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Originally posted by hjs157:


Huh? With a few exceptions, nearly everyone I know owns a firearm. Perhaps this is characteristic of the area in which I live or simply indicative of the folks with whom I regularly associate. To me, the notion of a household not owning at least one firearm is nearly as unusual as not owning an automobile or a computer.

If you think about how the popular vote (setting aside dead people and such) went for Clinton as a majority and if you think about how half the population is in the liberal anti-gun west coast and north eastern states, one could argue gun owners are in the minority now. Now that I think about it, there was an article before that said gun owners are in the minority. Although, not as much as the article stated since a good number of gun owners would be wary of admitting ownership.

I think it might be surprising how many people who voted for Hillary also own at least one gun. Probably not a majority, but not zero, either.

VBVAGUY, I believe the NRA has over 5 million members.

Not only are the vast majority of gun owners law-abiding, the statistics for CCW/CHL/LTC folks are even better. Those licensed to carry are 15 times more law-abiding than the general public, and even more law-abiding than those in LE.

flashguy

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You know what amazes me about the sheer magnitude of arms and ammunition in our society?

I'm not amazed, because I always know that, in general, we, as a society, are pretty polite.

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Originally posted by ArtieS:
True statement by wishfull thinker about old guns.

I have a 10 guns made between 1886 and 1936.

I have 6 more guns made during WWII.

All of them function at least minimally (some of the late 1800's revolvers are in pretty rough shape...), and all have ammunition available.

Regulating such things would be nearly impossible. There are no records, many do not have serial numbers because they were not required at the time, and if you think about it, they really aren't large. Making them hard to find isn't all that difficult.

It's a good thing that America's gun owners are generally very law abiding, because if they were not, this country would be ungovernable.

Hmmm. I have nineteen guns made between 1862 and 2002. Every single one of them works as intended, and often.

I'm also happy to admit that I don't know a single American who has not got at least as many, often substantially more, than that number. One acquaintance of mine, finally coming home from Vietnam in 1970 after three combat tours there without a scratch to show for them, vowed that he would buy at least one gun a month for the rest of his life, just because he was American, and free, and could do so.

Last count he has upwards of 800 guns of all kinds - anything that takes his fancy, in fact.

It may well be that because he lives in Texas that this is nothing out of the ordinary, but he has no intention of stopping now he's gotten used to it...

tac

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Originally posted by lbj:
I have seen some estimates as high as 4 million firearms reside with civilians here in the US.

I think that might just be the Sigforum estimate.

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Originally posted by 12131:
I'm not amazed, because I always know that, in general, we, as a society, are pretty polite.

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Originally posted by 2012BOSS302:

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Originally posted by 12131:
I'm not amazed, because I always know that, in general, we, as a society, are pretty polite.

^^^^^^^^
This, for the win!

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Originally posted by Leemur:
Two gunmen robbed a hotel one exit south of me on 81 this week. Wish there’d been an armed employee or patron in the lobby. Suspects are 2 white males. My money says they’re junkies.

Is this the one?

http://www.dailyprogress.com/n...f3-bf8ec162bd8b.html

That’s the one!

Political leanings are a funny thing in a couple respects. First even many socialist liberals own guns, and essentially are part of a do as I say not as I do element who feel those that oppose their view should not be armed but since they are the righteous deserve to be armed.
Secondly ( and part of the leftist populace who often tries to play the “we are not after your guns” card)there are a ton of people out there who own a gun for hunting or shotgun sports that vote democrat all the time. I left oppressive New York in 2016, but there were plenty of people with the mentality of “ they will never come after my trap gun” and felt it was fine to vote for anti gunners since they were only going after those evil assault rifles and pistols.many people who hunt and own a shotgun but vote based on what a labor union tells them to do.
Certainly the people I associate with are nearly all gun owners, and the vast majority of them own many guns, most a dozen or more and some well over 100. Despite some comments to the contrary I would still say gun ownership in the states is still a minimum of 40% of the population.

And from the “you can make statistics say anything you want them to” keep in mind if 49.8% of the population admits to owning a gun that is still a minority. I have seen it said ( and have no doubt it could be true or pretty close) that if you delete gang related inner city crime that occurs in the 6 most populated cities in the United States the rate of violent crime in the U.S. would rank in the bottom of the 100 countries considered civilized in the world

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Originally posted by bob ramberg:
If you compare a map of the areas of the country that voted democratic with the areas of highest gun violence,they are almost identical.

To add, just the states where weapons are heavily regulated is telling. If you throw out the outliers, New Orleans, Detroit, and St Louis specifically, you still end up with a pretty clear picture. Then you can go back and add in who runs those cities and it becomes completely clear.

We had a "good ending" incident here a couple days ago. Some d-bag decided to hold up a U-Haul store. An employee with a concealed handgun took him down. The d-bag died at the hospital. No charges have been filed, but the investigation is still ongoing. No word yet on whether the employee had a CHL.