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Guy was an 18 year employee of the place. Got to sting a little but rather be alive than dead.. | |||
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Had the teen pulled the trigger and injured/killed the clerk, would he/his widow had a legal leg to stand on for damages? "Common sense is wisdom with its sleeves rolled up." -Kyle Farnsworth "Freedom of Speech does not guarantee freedom from consequences." -Mike Rowe "Democracies aren't overthrown, they're given away." -George Lucas | |||
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| Rumors of my death are greatly exaggerated  |
Yup, this whole state is going down the shitter. Just about time to leave. All the libtards have invaded and effed it up. Too bad..... "Someday I hope to be half the man my bird-dog thinks I am." looking forward to 4 years of TRUMP! | |||
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| Banned |
My wife, my 5 year old, and I ski all winter. Go camping in the summer. He's in a great school in Denver. Our neighborhood is safe. We have lots of great restaurants in town, a great performing arts center, tons of museums and activities for all ages. Today on April 9th we have a high temp of 80 degrees. Sunshine throughout the year. We can go to any live sporting event, there is tons of live music. We can purchase and carry concealed easily. Yeah, this place sucks. Time to leave  | |||
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| Big Stack |
Probably not. Lots of stop and robs get robbed. A good number of clerks get injured or killed. I have heard of owners getting sued. But if the owner takes what's considered reasonable precautions (which does NOT included letting the clerks be armed), they're usually not considered liable.
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| Big Stack |
I'm guessing he's talking politically. In point of fact, it sounds a lot like California. Physically great, politically bad. A lot of that is likely caused by California escapees.
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| Big Stack |
Maybe, maybe not. The bad shoot issue applies very much to the franchisee also. He likely has high six, low seven figures invested in the business. If a clerk shoots the wrong person in a defensive situation, all that can be lost.
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| Peace through superior firepower  |
California is a beautiful state, but you couldn't pay me to even consider living there. Why? Because of the state and local government and their unbridled insanity. Is Colorado immune to this? Of course not. You may be offended at the attitudes of some other people with regards to your state, but are they wrong in their estimation of the condition of state and local government in Colorado? If not, those people saying these things most certainly have a point. Once you get to a certain point with poorly-run government, it overshadows all else. ____________________________________________________ "I am your retribution." - Donald Trump, speech at CPAC, March 4, 2023 | |||
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Nullus Anxietas |
This ^^^^^ I've spent a bit of time in California. Didn't care for the bits of northern CA I experienced, very much, but loved southern CA. It would be literally impossible to offer me enough money to live in that state. The direction I've seen them going: The same applies to Oregon, Washington and Colorado, as well as Connecticut, New York, New Jersey and Illinois. I won't even travel through, much less to, any of those states, if I can avoid it, much less live in them. That being said: This wasn't a Colorado nutiness problem. This is on Suncor corporate. I'm a bit confused about that point, though, because it is a Shell station. Shell Oil is a wholly owned subsidiary of Royal Dutch Shell. I would have assumed a Shell gas station would be either owned by, or a franchisee of, Shell Oil. "America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system,,,, but too early to shoot the bastards." -- Claire Wolfe "If we let things terrify us, life will not be worth living." -- Seneca the Younger, Roman Stoic philosopher | |||
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There is no way to "misread" a gun in your face. ************* MAGA | |||
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| Rumors of my death are greatly exaggerated |
So you are happy with our governor? All the bs new laws? Or just have yer head stuck in the snow? "Someday I hope to be half the man my bird-dog thinks I am." looking forward to 4 years of TRUMP! | |||
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| Banned |
I'm not terrifically unhappy with Polis. Not enough to consider leaving the state. | |||
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This is a widespread problem- I was just at an emergency medicine conference where there was report of a hospital employee coming to the aid of a small female nurse being assaulted and the fellow employee was fired but no charges filed against the assaulting individual. | |||
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Told cops where to go for over 29 years… |
As much as I am a fan of “fewer” laws, this is another case where I would like to see a law that that if ANY entity (employer, business, government) restricts the ability of a person to provide for their own self defense in any fashion, they unequivocally assume liability for ANYTHING that happens to that person while so restricted. COSTCO says no carry in their store? Ok Costco pays out for anyone killed in a Costco regardless of who did it or whether or not it was “foreseeable”. Pizza delivery dude not allowed to carry while working? OK, Dominoes pays the family of the guy murdered while being robbed a fat 7-digit payoff. Flip side is immunity for the business if a customer or employee kills someone needing to be kilt. If customer or employee is in the wrong, they are held to account, not the deep pocket of the business entity where it happened. What part of "...Shall not be infringed" don't you understand???  | |||
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That would be a hell of a legal precedent. You'd be setting up a risk based framework above baseline for certain types of business and jobs. I think the only people who would win would be lawyers. I'm more apt to advocate that a person's self is an extension of their property and therefore not subject to the policies of other property owners. New Mexico has this in place for cars but I think it could be taken further. __________________________________ An operator is someone who picks up the phone when I dial 0. | |||
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| Big Stack |
If anyone actually tried to implement a law like this, expect about $6 trillion in lobbying money to be spent to stop it.
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| Told cops where to go for over 29 years… |
Oh, I’m know it is an absolute pipe dream.... Holding people responsible/accountable for their actions (good or bad) is much too novel of a concept in this day and age. What part of "...Shall not be infringed" don't you understand??? | |||
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| Big Stack |
Actually what I would do is the other way around. In any situation where there is any element of self defense, the only only one who would have any liability is the shooter themselves, unless the employer, property owner, whoever actively directed them to carry a gun. If the employee carries a gun of their accord, for their own protection, they would have sole liability for any shooting that might occur. Of course, the lawyers would go to war against that. They want everyone to be liable for everything and anything, so they can sue them.
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| Nullus Anxietas |
That ain't ever gonna happen in a society that places such a high value on money and which, at least in Western society, now demands somebody must pay. Preferably somebody with very deep pockets. Witness a case that was briefly covered on, I think, OAN last night. Drunk wrong-way driver kills family. Now the survivors are going after the two bars in which the driver had been drinking before getting in a car. You damn well know that, regardless of the testimony, they will win. Because somebody has to pay. Preferably somebody with lots of money. Individual responsibility has become a quaint concept. "America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system,,,, but too early to shoot the bastards." -- Claire Wolfe "If we let things terrify us, life will not be worth living." -- Seneca the Younger, Roman Stoic philosopher | |||
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| Big Stack |
Yes, because the lawyers have to make money. Maybe Shakespeare was right. This message has been edited. Last edited by: BBMW, | |||
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