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Originally posted by PeteF:

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Originally posted by HRK:

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Originally posted by chellim1:
What about the role of the individual States?
Federalism?
Why do you think this should be decided by Congress?

Didn't say it should be decided by congress, the point is that to achieve the goals outlined in Bidens comments
it will take congressional approval to legalize Abortion nationwide.

With SCOTUS ruling, it is up to the individual states, however if the D hold the house and gain seats or sympathizers
in the Senate, they could do what should have been done in the first place, provided they really wanted legal
abortions, nationwide, and pass a federal law,
We know there are RHINO's that may sign on to some form of legislation so that's my point that nothing will be done by November because he'd have to negotiate to get enough votes in the senate.

That is what SCOTUS is saying, there isn't a law, and nothing in the constitution codifying abortion, so, if you guys/gals really want a federal ok on abortion, pass a federal law.
Otherwise its back to the states.



From the comments made by Biden listed above......

Shifting to November’s midterm elections, Biden said that the United States needs "two additional pro-choice senators and a pro-choice House to codify Roe as federal law."

No, the decision held that regulating abortion or not, is not a Federal power. It's is up to the states. Any and all FEDERAL laws, edicts and declarations are not within the scope of the Federal government IE UNCONSTITUTIONAL.

Bozo can try and change the Constitution, but we know that ain't happening.

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Originally posted by maladat:

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Originally posted by PeteF:

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Originally posted by HRK:

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Originally posted by chellim1:
What about the role of the individual States?
Federalism?
Why do you think this should be decided by Congress?

Didn't say it should be decided by congress, the point is that to achieve the goals outlined in Bidens comments
it will take congressional approval to legalize Abortion nationwide.

With SCOTUS ruling, it is up to the individual states, however if the D hold the house and gain seats or sympathizers
in the Senate, they could do what should have been done in the first place, provided they really wanted legal
abortions, nationwide, and pass a federal law,
We know there are RHINO's that may sign on to some form of legislation so that's my point that nothing will be done by November because he'd have to negotiate to get enough votes in the senate.

That is what SCOTUS is saying, there isn't a law, and nothing in the constitution codifying abortion, so, if you guys/gals really want a federal ok on abortion, pass a federal law.
Otherwise its back to the states.



From the comments made by Biden listed above......

Shifting to November’s midterm elections, Biden said that the United States needs "two additional pro-choice senators and a pro-choice House to codify Roe as federal law."

No, the decision held that regulating abortion or not, is not a Federal power. It's is up to the states. Any and all FEDERAL laws, edicts and declarations are not within the scope of the Federal government IE UNCONSTITUTIONAL.

Bozo can try and change the Constitution, but we know that ain't happening.

Read the decision again.

“Held: The Constitution does not confer a right to abortion; Roe and Casey are overruled; and the authority to regulate abortion is returned to the people and their elected representatives.”

The decision doesn’t say the federal government can’t regulate abortion. It says the Constitution doesn’t grant a right to abortion such that the states can’t regulate it.

Whether Congress can or not is a completely separate question.

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Originally posted by cas:
Election desperation?

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Originally posted by bigdeal:
However, I do want the name and address info on the 11 year old girl Biden vomited about being pregnant and having to travel to another state for an abortion. I 100% guarantee that story is 100% made up, prime, bovine output.

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Originally posted by cas:
Don’t blame old Joe, he’s only doing what he’s told.


(and saying exactly what he reads lmao)

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Originally posted by PeteF:
(e)Abortion presents a profound moral question. The Constitution does not prohibit the citizens of each State from regulating or prohibiting abortion . Roe and Casey arrogated that authority. The Court overrules those decisions and returns that authority to the people and their elected representatives. Pp. 78–79.

Where does is say Federal?

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Originally posted by maladat:

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Originally posted by PeteF:
(e)Abortion presents a profound moral question. The Constitution does not prohibit the citizens of each State from regulating or prohibiting abortion . Roe and Casey arrogated that authority. The Court overrules those decisions and returns that authority to the people and their elected representatives. Pp. 78–79.

Where does is say Federal?

That’s exactly my point, it doesn’t.

The Supreme Court almost always rules very narrowly on a key issue of a case.

The key issue here was, “does a Constitutional right to abortion prevent the states from restricting abortion (past a certain amount of restriction that past decisions allowed)?”

The Supreme Court’s answer was “no, no Constitutional right to abortion prevents the states from restricting abortion.”

Whether or not Congress can make a law about it wasn’t part of the question and wasn’t part of the answer.

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Originally posted by PeteF:

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Originally posted by maladat:

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Originally posted by PeteF:
(e)Abortion presents a profound moral question. The Constitution does not prohibit the citizens of each State from regulating or prohibiting abortion . Roe and Casey arrogated that authority. The Court overrules those decisions and returns that authority to the people and their elected representatives. Pp. 78–79.

Where does is say Federal?

That’s exactly my point, it doesn’t.

The Supreme Court almost always rules very narrowly on a key issue of a case.

The key issue here was, “does a Constitutional right to abortion prevent the states from restricting abortion (past a certain amount of restriction that past decisions allowed)?”

The Supreme Court’s answer was “no, no Constitutional right to abortion prevents the states from restricting abortion.”

Whether or not Congress can make a law about it wasn’t part of the question and wasn’t part of the answer.

Actually it was. It the decision that overturned Roe and Casey, the USSC said it was a state issue and the Fed had no Constitutional power one way or the other. Now the Fed (Reps, senate and pres) can't just decide by law that it is a Federal power. To do that would take a Constitutional Amendment ceding that power from the states to the Fed.

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Originally posted by maladat:

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Originally posted by PeteF:

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Originally posted by maladat:

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Originally posted by PeteF:
(e)Abortion presents a profound moral question. The Constitution does not prohibit the citizens of each State from regulating or prohibiting abortion . Roe and Casey arrogated that authority. The Court overrules those decisions and returns that authority to the people and their elected representatives. Pp. 78–79.

Where does is say Federal?

That’s exactly my point, it doesn’t.

The Supreme Court almost always rules very narrowly on a key issue of a case.

The key issue here was, “does a Constitutional right to abortion prevent the states from restricting abortion (past a certain amount of restriction that past decisions allowed)?”

The Supreme Court’s answer was “no, no Constitutional right to abortion prevents the states from restricting abortion.”

Whether or not Congress can make a law about it wasn’t part of the question and wasn’t part of the answer.

Actually it was. It the decision that overturned Roe and Casey, the USSC said it was a state issue and the Fed had no Constitutional power one way or the other. Now the Fed (Reps, senate and pres) can't just decide by law that it is a Federal power. To do that would take a Constitutional Amendment ceding that power from the states to the Fed.

That is not remotely what the decision or any of the quotes you’ve taken from it say.

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Originally posted by PeteF:

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Originally posted by maladat:

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Originally posted by PeteF:
(e)Abortion presents a profound moral question. The Constitution does not prohibit the citizens of each State from regulating or prohibiting abortion . Roe and Casey arrogated that authority. The Court overrules those decisions and returns that authority to the people and their elected representatives. Pp. 78–79.

Where does is say Federal?

That’s exactly my point, it doesn’t.

The Supreme Court almost always rules very narrowly on a key issue of a case.

The key issue here was, “does a Constitutional right to abortion prevent the states from restricting abortion (past a certain amount of restriction that past decisions allowed)?”

The Supreme Court’s answer was “no, no Constitutional right to abortion prevents the states from restricting abortion.”

Whether or not Congress can make a law about it wasn’t part of the question and wasn’t part of the answer.

Actually it was. It the decision that overturned Roe and Casey, the USSC said it was a state issue and the Fed had no Constitutional power one way or the other. Now the Fed (Reps, senate and pres) can't just decide by law that it is a Federal power. To do that would take a Constitutional Amendment ceding that power from the states to the Fed.

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Originally posted by nhracecraft:
The Tenth Amendment to the US Constitution:

"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."

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Originally posted by DaveL:

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Originally posted by nhracecraft:
The Tenth Amendment to the US Constitution:

"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."

Agreed. The question is whether Article 1 of the Constitution gives the federal government the power to regulate access to abortion or to operate abortion clinics in states over their objection. If it does not, then that power belongs to the people.