Russia’s Sunken Warship Moskva Recalls Great World War II Naval Battles The Russian missile cruiser is the biggest by tonnage to fall in wartime since

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April 15, 2022, 01:32 PM

Perception

Russia’s Sunken Warship Moskva Recalls Great World War II Naval Battles The Russian missile cruiser is the biggest by tonnage to fall in wartime since

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Originally posted by 229DAK:
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Ukraine says they hit it with a Javeling
What is a "Javeling"??? I read it was a Ukranian Neptune missile.

You are correct. I apparently misspelled my (wrong) answer. Neptune was what I meant.

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April 15, 2022, 01:52 PM

RichardC

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Originally posted by 229DAK:
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Ukraine says they hit it with a Javeling
What is a "Javeling"??? I read it was a Ukranian missile.

It was an experimental biological weapon intended to take over and sabotage the bridge and control systems.

There've been precedents set during times of desperation:

"But not all the weapons invented during World War II were quite as effective—some were downright strange. Bat bombs, exploding rats, wind cannons, and fecal sprays were just some of the bizarre weapons invented during the conflict. While some were used in combat, others never progressed beyond the initial testing phase."

https://www.usatoday.com/story...-cheetos/7290198001/

https://www.mentalfloss.com/ar...weapons-world-war-ii

April 15, 2022, 04:15 PM

David Lee

There is a video which I now cannot locate of the ship in tow, no flames and it goes under bow first. Rather quickly at that. No tow vessel in sight. Massive damage to its starboard side. That explosion was very large.

April 15, 2022, 04:30 PM

Mars_Attacks

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Originally posted by David Lee:
There is a video which I now cannot locate of the ship in tow, no flames and it goes under bow first. Rather quickly at that. No tow vessel in sight. Massive damage to its starboard side. That explosion was very large.

That's because it is a clickbait fake video of a DDG at SINKEX.

April 15, 2022, 04:41 PM

David Lee

Sorry about that. You are correct Mars. Just caught that myself .

April 15, 2022, 04:46 PM

saigonsmuggler

I guess the heavy weather and high seas at the time must've kept the 2 streaking wave height Neptune missiles hidden from the Moskva's search radars. Moskva has 6 AK630 CIWS guns with radar fire control that can be switched on in automatic mode. Usually sea skimmers would pop up at the last seconds to dive on the ship, which would allow the CIWS guns to engage. Maybe the Neptune missiles don't do this pop up stage?

Either way, the Neptune missiles must've flown really close to the wave tops. This is probably more advanced than our rather old Harpoons.

April 15, 2022, 04:52 PM

David Lee

I would enjoy seeing the actual Bahm Bahm..kaboom and fizzle. Gotta be footage somewhere. The Ukraines generally have vids and this would be a important undertaking to not film.

April 15, 2022, 04:53 PM

sigfreund

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Originally posted by David Lee:
There is a video which I now cannot locate of the ship in tow, no flames and it goes under bow first.

This one?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FkCcBitMSWY

The quality is poor and it’s hard to be sure, but it doesn’t seem to be the same ship as this one. The proportions seem wrong, and I can’t see any of the distinctive missile launch tubes that are shown on all the other photos of the ship I have found on line.

Comments?

Added:
I just saw the comment by Mars_Attacks. Same thing? (I don’t know what a “DDG” is.)

April 15, 2022, 04:58 PM

David Lee

I watched it like 12 times sigfreund on my dumb smart phone on full screen. I stop the vid to look closer and the screen goes darker. I just was hoping to be the 1st one posting Crazy Ivan getting it hard. Not to be...

Oh well, maybe next time..

April 15, 2022, 04:59 PM

David Lee

DDG is a Destroyer sigfreund. At least I didn't mistake it for a Carrier going under guys..

April 15, 2022, 05:45 PM

sigfreund

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Originally posted by David Lee:
DDG is a Destroyer sigfreund.

Thanks. I thought I knew what a DD was, but wasn’t sure about DDG.

April 15, 2022, 06:09 PM

V-Tail

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Originally posted by sigfreund:

I don’t know what a “DDG” is.

DD is destroyer.

DDG is Guided Missile Destroyer (like Arleigh Burke class).

April 15, 2022, 06:14 PM

9mmepiphany

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Originally posted by sigfreund:
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Originally posted by David Lee:
DDG is a Destroyer sigfreund.

Thanks. I thought I knew what a DD was, but wasn’t sure about DDG.

The DD designation is usually used for Destroyers who have primary gun armament

DDG is a Guided-Missile Destroyer whose primary armament is guided missiles...usually for anti-aircraft screening

April 15, 2022, 06:49 PM

2BobTanner

If Tom Clancy was still alive, he’d use this incident in a novel. I’d bet there’re classified reports about what really happened, and that classes eventually will be taught at the Naval War College about it.

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April 15, 2022, 07:00 PM

egregore

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Russia’s Sunken Warship Moskva Recalls Great World War II Naval Battles

I hardly think the sinking of one ship, cause unknown (I don't believe what either side is putting out), recalls, for example, Coral Sea, Midway or Leyte Gulf.

April 15, 2022, 07:30 PM

bubbatime

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Originally posted by Mars_Attacks:
I've seen photos of Russia retaliation bombing of the missile sites.

I hope someone can get them more of some type of anti ship weaponry.

I honestly think those were American anti-ship missiles. A few weeks ago there was press that we would be sending anti-ship missiles to Ukraine.

Its a nice cover story to say that it was home grown Ukrainian Neptune missiles. Uh huh.

We have been dying to try American technology on Russian warships and this was the perfect opportunity. Just make a nice flashy story to go along with the deception...

April 15, 2022, 07:33 PM

P220 Smudge

I only speak a little Russian, so I don't know how good the captions are, but this is interesting.

Gonna see if Reddit video embedding works. If not, video of one of their "news" stations and what they're saying about this is at the link. It's... interesting.

https://www.reddit.com/r/world...dium=web2x&context=3

April 15, 2022, 07:46 PM

ZSMICHAEL

Is she wearing a mans coat from the 1970s? The background looks like a set from the 1950s. Not to mention the old geezer screaming. VERY convincing propaganda!

April 15, 2022, 07:47 PM

Hound Dog

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Originally posted by egregore:
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Russia’s Sunken Warship Moskva Recalls Great World War II Naval Battles

I hardly think the sinking of one ship, cause unknown (I don't believe what either side is putting out), recalls, for example, Coral Sea, Midway or Leyte Gulf.

Yeah, that 'article' is pure hype. This was NOTHING like Bismarck, Yamato, or the Battle of Tsushima.

April 15, 2022, 07:54 PM

2BobTanner

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Originally posted by egregore:
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Russia’s Sunken Warship Moskva Recalls Great World War II Naval Battles

I hardly think the sinking of one ship, cause unknown (I don't believe what either side is putting out), recalls, for example, Coral Sea, Midway or Leyte Gulf.

It’s more akin to the naval Battle of Tsushima in May 1905 during the Russo-Japanese War of 1904-05. It was a major disaster for the Russian Navy which had lasting affects on the internal politics of Czarist Russia.

Putin will be remembered for launching a war on a weaker neighboring country, which was assumed to be quick, but has now gone on for over two months. The loss of the flagship of the Black Fleet, and the on-going arrests of senior military and naval personnel have echoes of the Stalin purges in the 1930s.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Tsushima