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Obama Administration Told Warmbier Family Not To Hang Ribbons On Trees Because It Might Offend North Korea
June 16, 2017, 07:30 PM
architectObama Administration Told Warmbier Family Not To Hang Ribbons On Trees Because It Might Offend North Korea
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Originally posted by GT-40DOC:
If this young man has lost significant brain tissue, as stated, then his prognosis is quite grim.
Yes, he might become a Democrat!
June 16, 2017, 07:41 PM
bubbatimeThis kid is brain dead for life. The North Koreans would rather send him home than care for him for the rest of his life. That is the ONLY reason he came home.
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June 16, 2017, 07:49 PM
sigmonkeyThe young man died in North Korea, they only sent back animated remains.
I do not mean that in an ugly or sarcastic manner.
That boy is as dead as Karen Ann Quinlan was the day after her overdose.
I hope his family is not turned into a media circus act.
"the meaning of life, is to give life meaning" ✡ Ani Yehudi אני יהודי Le'olam lo shuv לעולם לא שוב! June 16, 2017, 07:58 PM
Alpine79830quote:
Originally posted by sigfreund:
My point wasn’t about what the US should have done or what the foolish victim of a despotic regime should have done. If someone I loved was being held incommunicado and being abused and probably tortured, I’d sacrifice a kitten to Kim Il Sung to get them back, and that’s what the advice about the ribbons was about. Would the Koreans know if the ribbons were being displayed? If they attracted enough attention they would. In fact, if The New York Times thought it would sell some extra papers, they’d probably run it on the front page (if they could somehow use the story to the embarrassment of the current Administration).
And my example of burning the Qur’an was to make my point about the dangers of annoying people who have a reputation of despotic ruthlessness and no respect for human life who nevertheless have the life of someone we love in their blood-drenched hands: The principle is exactly the same. It’s their perceptions of the matter that count, not the perceptions of the civilized world, no matter how much we might wish it were otherwise.
The victim in this case was indeed reportedly caught with a propaganda poster, and if the North Koreans were willing to arrest, abuse, and torture an American who was there on an approved tour for such a trivial offense, does anyone really believe that they might not act even more savagely and irrationally if they were annoyed by what the parents were doing? Whether they would is obviously unknown (unless the parents ignored the advice), but what sensible parent would ignore it—and why? To say, “I’m not afraid of you; do your worst to my son”?
I have no idea how the man’s release was obtained, and assuming it was due to some new pressure that was applied by the current Administration is very satisfying, but only an assumption. The regime hasn’t thus far demonstrated much concern about our big sticks over much more important matters. For all we know they may have simply come to the realization that the issue was a loss in the propaganda wars and that they should drop it.
Thank you Sir, but what did the current administration do different to get this dumb shit back? My thoughts are leadership, your's?
June 16, 2017, 08:08 PM
Alpine79830quote:
Originally posted by architect:
quote:
Originally posted by GT-40DOC:
If this young man has lost significant brain tissue, as stated, then his prognosis is quite grim.
Yes, he might become a Democrat!
God Damn dude that's fucking cold, he's fucking brain dead........hmmm, let's turn this into a republican voter!
June 16, 2017, 08:27 PM
sigfreundquote:
Originally posted by Alpine79830:
Thank you Sir, but what did the current administration do different to get this dumb shit back? My thoughts are leadership, your's?
I have seen no information indicating that it was anything different that the current Administration did that got him back. When dealing with a regime that does or does not do other things for irrational reasons—or no reason at all—it’s hardly even worth guessing.
Keep in mind that unless President Trump or Secretary Tillerson took a personal interest in this case for some inexplicable reason and said, “Get that boy back by whatever means necessary,” it’s most likely that nothing changed. The Korean desk officer(s) and immediate supervisors a couple of levels up at the Department of State who were handling the matter under the previous President are probably still in place. Plus, it strains my credulity to the max to believe that the previous Administration officials at higher levels didn’t want the man returned for some reason. In fact, if anyone would want to have a bunch of despotic Communists appear in the best possible light by releasing an unjustly detained American, I must believe it would have been that crowd.
And although I still see nothing wrong with the, “Probably best to have no ribbons,” advice, perhaps the parents ignored it and put them up any way. That may have then softened ol’ Comrade Kim’s heart and while fighting back sympathetic tears he ordered, “Let those people have their boy back.”
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To operate serious weapons in a serious manner. June 16, 2017, 08:45 PM
Elk HunterAnyone think that fat little asshole might get offended when the MOAB arrives?????
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June 16, 2017, 08:59 PM
sigfreundHmm …. Maybe that’s it: Perhaps we scared them into releasing the guy just like we scared them into stopping development and testing of nuclear weapons and from firing missiles toward Japan.

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To operate serious weapons in a serious manner. June 16, 2017, 09:24 PM
Alpine79830Thanks, sigfreund. I'm just glad this guy is back with his family regardless of politics. RIP dumb fuck that decided to hike NORK vice the Himalaya.
June 16, 2017, 09:42 PM
sdyevery time I think I'm out, they drag me back in.
"Keep in mind that unless President Trump or Secretary Tillerson took a personal interest in this case for some inexplicable reason and said, “Get that boy back by whatever means necessary,” it’s most likely that nothing changed"
http://www.wral.com/how-the-us...orth-korea/16760601/The diplomatic process began on June 6 when State Department Special Representative Joseph Yun met with North Korean UN Mission Ambassador Pak Kil-yon in New York City and learned of Warmbier's deteriorating health condition, according to a senior State Department official.
After that meeting in New York, Secretary of State Rex Tillerson consulted with President Donald Trump and instructed Yun to prepare to travel to North Korea with the intent of bringing Warmbier back to the United States, the official told CNN.
A US delegation made up of Yun and a medical team was sent to North Korea on Monday to secure Warmbier's release, the official said, adding that they demanded to visit Warmbier upon arrival in Pyongyang.
Yun and two doctors visited Warmbier that morning, marking the first time the US was able to confirm his status since he was sentenced in March 2016. Yun immediately demanded that Warmbier be released on humanitarian grounds and arrangements were made for him to leave North Korea.
On Tuesday, Warmbier was evacuated from North Korea, accompanied by a medical team and a State Department representative.
June 16, 2017, 09:46 PM
P-220I have no respect for Obama.
Wyoming is just on the other side of Cincinnati from me.
While I would never entertain visiting that shit hole country, I cannot imagine what his parents are going through. I would wish that pain on no one, not even Obama.
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