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Peace through superior firepower |
Hang on. Let's get a couple of things straightened out before we proceed. Nested quotes- what does this mean? | |||
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Sorry Para. Won’t happen again. I have pruned my posts. | |||
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Thank you, but I really would like for someone to answer my question. Then we'll move on to part B. | |||
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Nested quotes - A continuation of a conversation usually between two posters that keeps the entire conversation through subsequent posts. This now creates a wall of BS, that is tedious to follow, takes up too much room in the thread as well as the forum, and not only pisses off just the admin. I regret taking part in such behavior, and apologize. | |||
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Peace through superior firepower |
Very good, thank you. There's no reason to take up all that real estate on the page, and furthermore, if you actually try to determine who is saying what in a nested quote exchange, you'll find that's very difficult to do so. Mty suggestion is that for anyone who doesn't know how to edit quotes, just speak your piece without quoting the other member at all. Now, onto other matters. jimmy, we've talked about this before. We've talked about how you should ease off when you see that you're getting into a testy exchange. If you're going to participate in threads like this, I'll require you to ease off when the bickering starts. You know the result when you keep hammering away on a topic. Carry on, guys ____________________________________________________ "I am your retribution." - Donald Trump, speech at CPAC, March 4, 2023 | |||
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You are correct in the fact that Synthetic oil doesn't break down with higher oil temperatures as easily and that it does burn cleaner. The odd thing is the OP didn't mention seeing any visible smoke in his post either. I would change the pcv valve. But, I just don't think the much added expense of switching to synthetic given the OP's consumption is going to fix anything. I think if you're going to go to the add something route. A dose of Yamaha ring free (made by chevron) in the fuel and a oil additive product like mentioned previously or Lucas would have more of a chance of fixing something than just switching to synthetic. if there was any remote chance of a pour in product fixing it. But quite honestly, I've never seen rings "stick" on a vehicle that is driven daily, nor have I seen any of these pour in additive products or switching to synthetic fix something like this except once. And, at 200k miles I'd say 99% of the time, it's just honest engine wear that short of a rebuild or head job, it is what it is. Chrysler motors aren't known for going a million miles like some other brands. I stated that switching to synthetic could cause leaks, not that it will, but wasn't recommending it purely on a cost versus benefit basis, considering how much oil (at double the cost) he'd be pouring in given the high oil consumption. Personally I'd rather try pouring lucas oil additive in the crankcase in this situation, if I was going to do anything. Or just accept the fact that the motor is worn out and just buy oil on sale and dump a quart in every 3rd fill up. | |||
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OK, Understood. | |||
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A little light anecdote ref extended periods between oil changes. In the early '60s, when I was a young service engineer, I had a series of old English cars. A notable one was a c.1955 ROVER 75. It burned oil, at least a pint every tank of gas. However, I had an inexhaustible supply of Shell Rotella T and used that for two years. Figured I was changing the oil every 2000 miles anyway so the oil never did get changed (in the conventional way) while I owned the car. ____________________________ "Fear is a Reaction - Courage is a Decision.” - Winston Spencer Churchill NRA Life Member - Adorable Deplorable Garbage | |||
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It might be anecdotal, but it should be the OP's strategy. This vehicle is in end of life. Maintain it as cheaply as possible and get the max you can. Fill it with the cheapest possible oil of the right viscosity and SAE grade. Increase the oil change interval substantially, there is no reason to change it at 3k when most of it is new anyway. “So in war, the way is to avoid what is strong, and strike at what is weak.” | |||
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So, taking this one step further, if the OP changes oil at 3000 miles and has added 4 quarts since the last oil change, he is burning 1 quart every 750 miles. Assuming a 5 quart sump, the OP is actually changing oil every 3750 miles. STOP CHANGING OIL. ____________________________ "Fear is a Reaction - Courage is a Decision.” - Winston Spencer Churchill NRA Life Member - Adorable Deplorable Garbage | |||
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You will not get rid of the contamination from blow-by if you stop changing oil. This is a sure fire way to gunk up the inside of your engine. | |||
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He shouldn't stop changing it, he should stop changing it at 3K. “So in war, the way is to avoid what is strong, and strike at what is weak.” | |||
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The OP says the oil is not leaking so the oil is being burned, and the contaminants are being burned along with the oil. I remember straight mineral oil in cars, THAT was a build up in contaminants, 1/8" to 3/16" build up in the rocker cover and the sump. Modern oil additives hold the contaminant in suspension and are filtered out, burned or just circulate. In the OPs case changing oil at 3000 miles, the remaining oil is 25% new, 25% 1000 miles old, 25% 2000 miles old and 25% 3000 miles old, roughly. Therefore the average age of the oil when it is changed is ~1500 miles. Now, if the OP stops changing the the oil completely, then the oil is average age 2500 miles just before adding the quart and still 1500 miles after he adds the fresh quart. So OK change the oil filter once a year... ____________________________ "Fear is a Reaction - Courage is a Decision.” - Winston Spencer Churchill NRA Life Member - Adorable Deplorable Garbage | |||
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https://www.quora.com/Why-shou...-just-topping-it-off Just changing the oil filter will not remove the contaminants alone. | |||
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I agree completely with a modern engine that essentially uses no oil (actually some oil is burned and is replaced by contaminants). But for an engine of 200k, using a quart every 500 to 750 miles (depending how you calculate it), I would not change the oil at all. P.S. OP, sell the car to me, wink wink. By the way, the top photo does not look real. If I didn't know better, the top photo was when the author pulled the head, and the bottom photo was after it was cleaned up ready to rebuild... ____________________________ "Fear is a Reaction - Courage is a Decision.” - Winston Spencer Churchill NRA Life Member - Adorable Deplorable Garbage | |||
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I'm done trying to convince you that you are giving bad advice. | |||
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I truly appreciate your comment. I am only speaking from experience which is not necessarily good advise... ____________________________ "Fear is a Reaction - Courage is a Decision.” - Winston Spencer Churchill NRA Life Member - Adorable Deplorable Garbage | |||
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Shifferbrains is right. Just topping off and never changing the oil is a bad idea. Search the bobistheoilguy site for more information. ——————————————— The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Psalm 14:1 | |||
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Thanks for the info guys! Sorry was away. Been busy the last couple of days bedding rifles. I’ll change the PCV and go 5000 miles between oil/oil filter change. I just need to limp this along until I can afford a new truck. The only thing on the Jeep that doesn’t work reliably is the backup sensors and my drivers side window. If it were a Grand Cherokee, or a Rubicon, I’d look into a rebuilt engine and keep it. Over the past few years, I’ve only had to change the alternator, water pump, oil pan gasket and bypass the transmission oil cooler and add an external one. Also added new serpentine belt and pulley. Tony. Owner, TonyBen, LLC, Type-07 FFL www.tonybenm14.com (Site under construction). e-mail: tonyben@tonybenm14.com | |||
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How’s it going since you changed the PCV? 0:01 | |||
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