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Health Care Workers--- Heroes ???

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May 06, 2020, 06:35 PM
GrumpyMCO
Health Care Workers--- Heroes ???
I drove by a local hospital in central Florida off 417, someone had paid for one of those signs with individual letters that said "Heroes Work Here!"

The number of hospitalized in Seminole county was & is so low that I would be hard pressed to think that they had over a dozen covid patients at any one time - so sure...heroes...lets start handing out the Congressional Medals of Honor.
May 06, 2020, 08:17 PM
captain127
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Originally posted by parabellum:
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Originally posted by captain127:
While I agree the hero moniker is a bit much, and those of us in healthcare “signed up for this” the same can be said for law enforcement corrections fire and military.
When you walk up to the side of a patient's bed, what are the odds that they're going to shoot you dead and then flee? What are the odds that the floor is going to give way and you will fall into the floor below, become trapped and burn alive? What chances are there that you will face an L-shaped ambush in the hospital cafeteria and you and your entire unit are massacred?

There is a line- let's call it the Big Brass Balls line. Healthcare workers are not on the same side of that line as police, fire or military personnel. It's not a dig, just the truth.

I agree there is a line ( why I said I deeply respect Fire police military and corrections ) and I did serve in the military for 25 years including over 2 years in Iraq and Afghanistan.
My point was that “ well you signed up for this” is a weak argument some people make for all these professions. I personally and know of many other healthcare workers primarily in ER that have been physically assaulted, so while not in the same class as the other professions noted, is not a picnic either. But calling us heroes for just showing up and doing our job is ridiculous.
May 06, 2020, 08:25 PM
ryan81986
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Originally posted by GrumpyMCO:
I drove by a local hospital in central Florida off 417, someone had paid for one of those signs with individual letters that said "Heroes Work Here!"


You mean one of these?


There's one outside a local assisted living, and let me tell you right now, those people are not heroes one bit. They are the exact opposite. If I had my way they'd be run out of town for the way they treat their residents. It's disgusting. They put on big smiles when they sell their overpriced rooms to the families, but if the resident gets hurt, sick or anything else they're nowhere to be seen.




May 06, 2020, 08:29 PM
stoic-one
As I noted back on the 1st page of this thread, my local grocery store has one of those signs, make me want to throw up. Roll Eyes


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May 06, 2020, 08:43 PM
PowerSurge
All of this patting each other on the back continuously is really getting old. Aggrandization is the word I’m looking for.

Adults don’t want, need or do it.


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May 06, 2020, 08:46 PM
a1abdj
For those who don't believe Doctors and nurses face death on the job:

https://www.bls.gov/news.release/pdf/cfoi.pdf


Healthcare practitioners & healthcare support positions:

2017 85 killed
2018 97 killed


For comparison, Firefighters

2017 35 killed
2018 33 killed


Now law enforcement is significantly higher:

2017 117 killed
2018 127 killed


But those numbers are still small compared to others (using 2017 numbers)

Management occupations 396 killed
Building & Groundskeeping 326 killed
Sales occupations 232 killed
Farming fishing foresty 264 killed
Construction 965 killed

But the largest by number goes to transportation and material moving occupations with a whopping 1,443. Don't forget to thank a trucker for his or her service.

And don't forget to thank a farmer either (includes forestry and fishing workers). They tend to have the highest rate per 100,000, in the 20-22 range.


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May 06, 2020, 08:49 PM
PowerSurge
^^^ Doctors and nurses aren’t even in the top 10. Give me a break. My trade is. We don’t expect people to call us heroes. It’s ridiculous.

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/12/2...ing-to-bls-data.html


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May 06, 2020, 08:54 PM
a1abdj
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Doctors and nurses aren’t even in the top 10



Neither are many of the other occupations that people seem to believe are, but that wasn't my point. My point was people tend to believe certain things that are not backed up by the statistical reality. As I pointed out farming and driving are the very top, and nobody talks about patting those folks on the back for the danger they put themselves in so that we can eat, have lumber and have goods at the store.

Firefighting is a fairly safe profession. About 3 to 4 deaths per 100,000. I doubt most people would even believe it was that low. Only about 5 times more dangerous than being a lawyer. Wink


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May 06, 2020, 09:03 PM
well1147
30 years EMT-Paramedic Never thought as a hero i get a check every 2 weeks Army Navy Air Force Marines Coast Guard HEROs
May 06, 2020, 09:41 PM
Dusty78
quote:
Originally posted by a1abdj:
For those who don't believe Doctors and nurses face death on the job:

https://www.bls.gov/news.release/pdf/cfoi.pdf


Healthcare practitioners & healthcare support positions:

2017 85 killed
2018 97 killed


For comparison, Firefighters

2017 35 killed
2018 33 killed


Now law enforcement is significantly higher:

2017 117 killed
2018 127 killed


But those numbers are still small compared to others (using 2017 numbers)

Management occupations 396 killed
Building & Groundskeeping 326 killed
Sales occupations 232 killed
Farming fishing foresty 264 killed
Construction 965 killed

But the largest by number goes to transportation and material moving occupations with a whopping 1,443. Don't forget to thank a trucker for his or her service.

And don't forget to thank a farmer either (includes forestry and fishing workers). They tend to have the highest rate per 100,000, in the 20-22 range.


Oh you and your factual statistics (insert sarcasm emoji)


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May 06, 2020, 09:57 PM
a1abdj
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Oh you and your factual statistics



Not mine. Courtesy of the US Government, our tax dollars hard at work.


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May 06, 2020, 10:01 PM
bald1
Local oncologist packed up and left the area after a 60 something guy was convicted of attempted murder, conspiracy to commit murder, and soliciting a "hitman" because his wife died of cancer while in the care of this MD. Distraught warping into stark raving lunacy. Absolutely zero culpability on the MD's part FWIW.

Could have been a statistic. Frown



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May 06, 2020, 10:38 PM
2000Z-71
Just thankful that I have a job right now. Do I consider myself a hero? No, just doing my job.

Being called a hero during this does make me feel uncomfortable and somewhat guilty when I know I have it better than others right now. That said, a thank you is appreciated as well as the local businesses that have been dropping off food for the ER staff.

The other thing was working the drive-thru testing station last week, received a lot more, "Thank yous" than, "Fuck yous" that I normally do in the ER. That was refreshing.




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May 07, 2020, 08:09 AM
mrmn50
Nothing Heroic, Just Doing A Job That Needed To Be Done:


May 07, 2020, 08:42 AM
Gibb
I actually had it out with an ER nurse I know who was complaining that she "didn't sign up for this" about working extended hours and having to don the extra PPE every shift.

I said she's welcome to quit anytime she wants, but she should stop publicly complaining... it makes her look worse that the NG and Reservists that complain how they only signed up for the college benefits when they got called to active service!

Funny, she no longer complains publicly (or if she does it isn't around me)!




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May 07, 2020, 10:25 AM
TMats
There was an interview on Tucker’s show last night with a man who owned a pharmaceutical company; when the video is available, it’s definitely worth watching—he was insightful and articulate. He said that his wife is an MD with a new baby. Because there was an acute need, she put down her baby and went back to the hospital. She contracted the Virus and is now isolated from her new baby. There are some heroes that we may not have thought about before. Not everyone in healthcare is a hero, by any stretch, but there are some.


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May 07, 2020, 10:56 AM
bendable
Maybe " hero" is like "beauty", it's in the eye of the beholder.
Perhaps the constant proclaiming by so many people is what I am tired of. I will decide what is beautiful, and quit telling me who is a hero.





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May 07, 2020, 11:05 AM
ZSMICHAEL
^^^^^^
Good point. It seems this was how things were in the past.
May 07, 2020, 11:19 AM
Graniteguy
Most of the Healthcare workers I know are either furloughed or laid off/unemployed.

They don't even have the opportunity to be Heroes. Frown
May 07, 2020, 11:45 AM
Oat_Action_Man
For some perspective:

Yesterday was Nurses' Day. You know what Deplorable Dixie's entire hospital system did for its nurses in recognition of that day? Nothing.

Other hospitals in the area were giving nurses free food, etc., as is customary.

She bought her own damn cupcake.


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