This ain't New York City you moron! You're lucky to still be alive.

https://wsvn.com/news/local/su...ivers-pull-out-guns/

Suspected Walmart robber tries to carjack two different cars, both drivers pull out guns

JACKSONVILLE, Fla. (WSVN) — Police say a man who tried to carjack two people was thwarted after the victims both pulled out guns to protect themselves.

According to Fox 30, Jacksonville police officers arrested 36-year-old Christopher Raymond Hill, charging him with strong-arm robbery, carjacking with firearm or deadly weapon, aggravated battery with a deadly weapon and trespassing.

Detectives said the incident began when Hill robbed a Walmart liquor store, and attempted to flee in a silver Ford SUV. However, witnesses said the vehicle would not start, so he first tried to carjack Scott Reardean at knifepoint, cutting him on his arms and legs.

“I reached in between my glove box and my console, between my seats, reached down and got my weapon and brandished it for him,” Reardean told WJXT. “He was like, ‘Don’t shoot me.’ I was like, ‘Then get out of here.’”

Hill then jumped into the passenger seat of a woman’s car in a Starbucks drive-thru. Police said the woman got out of her car and grabbed a pistol from her trunk, pointing it at Hill until he ran off.

Reardean said he was glad he had his gun with him for self-defense.

“These guys can talk about banning assault rifles and banning guns, but when it comes and happens to them, they’re going to wish they had one,” Reardean told the station.

Ultimately, police found Hill inside the bathroom of a Supercuts, where he surrendered.

According to an arrest report, Hill told police, “The reason I was running and did this was because somebody was after me.”

Hill is currently being held on a bond of $91,512.

Violent gun owners!

So that makes two more verifiable incidents where a "Good guy with a gun" stopped a bad guy. The argument is really getting tired.

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Detectives said the incident began when Hill robbed a Walmart liquor store, and attempted to flee in a silver Ford SUV. However, witnesses said the vehicle would not start, so he first tried to carjack Scott Reardean at knifepoint, cutting him on his arms and legs.

So this dirtbag tries to hijack a car, cuts the driver on his arms and legs, the victim pulls a gun and tells the asshole to leave!?!?!?!?!?

Dirt bag should have been laying in a pool of blood when LEO arrived!

Would have prevented the attack on the second victim, too.

Stupid should hurt

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Detectives said the incident began when Hill robbed a Walmart liquor store, and attempted to flee in a silver Ford SUV. However, witnesses said the vehicle would not start, so he first tried to carjack Scott Reardean at knifepoint, cutting him on his arms and legs.

“I reached in between my glove box and my console, between my seats, reached down and got my weapon and brandished it for him,” Reardean told WJXT.

Mr. Reardean would have been perfectly justified in just shooting, no warning, having already been cut. If the shitbag had taken a good slice out his forearm, he wouldn't have been able to pull the trigger.

Surprised no one actually shot him.
You have to wonder why they didn't?

Because we're nice.

I don't know the circumstances but these people were lucky that the thief was an incompetent idiot. You're weapon should be on your person not in a console or trunk of a car.

I’m not nice. I woulda shot him. It’s only fair. You slice holes in me, I get to punch holes through you.

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Originally posted by sigspecops:
I don't know the circumstances but these people were lucky that the thief was an incompetent idiot. You're weapon should be on your person not in a console or trunk of a car.

They likely didn’t have concealed carry permits. In Florida, you can keep a loaded handgun in your vehicle without a carry permit as long as it’s locked in the console or glove compartment or otherwise reasonably inaccessible. Once they stopped recognizing my state’s permit for carry, this is what I’ve done when I visit family there. FWIW, I agree completely. This is every bit the argument for having the gun ON you.

Both of those people are very lucky that off body carry worked for them, mostly.
If the criminal had a gun himself, it wouldn't have worked out so well.
The first guy had plenty of reason to shoot. The woman in the second case had time to get to her trunk for her gun but the guy was still likely within 21 feet and this isn't a blue state so I doubt she would have had a problem either.
Fortunately the criminal was more incompetent than the victims.

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Originally posted by sigspecops:
I don't know the circumstances but these people were lucky that the thief was an incompetent idiot. You're weapon should be on your person not in a console or trunk of a car.

God I love Jacksonville!
We talk about permit holders but In Florida with as many permit holders out there, there are many more gun owners with a gun in the car that do not have a permit to carry.

Florida requires a pistol to be securely encased. This means it must be in a snapped holster, zippered case, glove box, console or box with a lid on it. There is no requirement for the glove box/console to be locked. Florida Also does not distinguish between a loaded gun and an unloaded gun so there is none of this unloaded/3 step BS you hear about.

Fun Fact: the first guy could have shot him even without being cut first. Florida law recognizes the carjacking itself as grounds for deadly force.

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Hill is currently being held on a bond of $91,512

I'm curious how they came up with that particular figure. Has to be formula of some kind I suppose, or else the judge just threw some dice.

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Originally posted by ArtieS:
Because we're nice.

No.

They are nice.

I'm not nice to people who wound me with a knife.

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Originally posted by P220 Smudge:
I’m not nice. I woulda shot him. It’s only fair. You slice holes in me, I get to punch holes through you.

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Originally posted by sigspecops:
I don't know the circumstances but these people were lucky that the thief was an incompetent idiot. You're weapon should be on your person not in a console or trunk of a car.

They likely didn’t have concealed carry permits. In Florida, you can keep a loaded handgun in your vehicle without a carry permit as long as it’s locked in the console or glove compartment or otherwise reasonably inaccessible.

Yup. Except, it does NOT have to be "locked" in the console or glove compartment. Just putting it in there is sufficient, no locking required. Here is the statute:

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Possession in Private Conveyance.

Notwithstanding subsection (2), it is lawful and is not a violation of s. 790.01 for a person 18 years of age or older to possess a concealed firearm or other weapon for self- defense or other lawful purpose within the interior of a private conveyance, without a license, if the firearm or other weapon is securely encased or is otherwise not readily accessible for immediate use. Nothing herein contained prohibits the carrying of a legal firearm other than a handgun anywhere in a private conveyance when such firearm is being carried for a lawful use. Nothing herein contained shall be construed to authorize the carrying of a concealed firearm or other weapon on the person. This subsection shall be liberally construed in favor of the lawful use, ownership, and possession of firearms and other weapons, including lawful self-defense as provided in s. 776.012.

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Originally posted by Sig2340:

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Originally posted by ArtieS:
Because we're nice.

No.

They are nice.

I'm not nice to people who wound me with a knife.

Maybe some people feel that taking a life should be something you Have to do, not something you Get to do.

Once he got his gun out, while legally he may have been able to shoot him, the news story indicates that the perp went from badass to pussy rather quickly. I guess he could have shot him while he ran away.

To reinforce V-Tail's post, Florida Statute 790.001 (17) defines "securely encased:

"790.001...
(17) “Securely encased” means in a glove compartment, whether or not locked; snapped in a holster; in a gun case, whether or not locked; in a zippered gun case; or in a closed box or container which requires a lid or cover to be opened for access."

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Originally posted by SpinZone:

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Originally posted by Sig2340:

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Originally posted by ArtieS:
Because we're nice.

No.

They are nice.

I'm not nice to people who wound me with a knife.

Maybe some people feel that taking a life should be something you Have to do, not something you Get to do.

Once he got his gun out, while legally he may have been able to shoot him, the news story indicates that the perp went from badass to pussy rather quickly. I guess he could have shot him while he ran away.

I don't always agree with you, but today you are spot on. Shooting someone is a last option. I don't care if justified or not. Especially if the guy is retreating. First I lose my gun until case is closed and charges decided upon. Second what if they decide to charge you, even if cleared in the end you're still out 10's of thousands, have an arrest record, and miss work.

Only problem with this is I'm not likely to realize he's stopped attacking until he's already leaking.

Bad things happen after a good shooting.


Reardon made his own decision to shoot, or not to shoot.



Hopefully, neither you or I will have to.

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Originally posted by SpinZone:

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Originally posted by Sig2340:

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Originally posted by ArtieS:
Because we're nice.

No.

They are nice.

I'm not nice to people who wound me with a knife.

Maybe some people feel that taking a life should be something you Have to do, not something you Get to do.

Once he got his gun out, while legally he may have been able to shoot him, the news story indicates that the perp went from badass to pussy rather quickly. I guess he could have shot him while he ran away.

Excellent post.