Just came across this video, this is from a few days ago, probably his best commentary to date !




Link to original video: https://youtu.be/mSuQ-AyiicA

I can see this great republic dying one day and people will cheer it happens. Very sad to see the shift in our country? When did all of this go wrong?

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Originally posted by patw:
I can see this great republic dying one day and people will cheer it happens. Very sad to see the shift in our country? When did all of this go wrong?

This is a rather simplistic answer, but I think the start of the erosion of the American "Dream" began in 1913, when a permanent income tax was instituted, the Federal Reserve was created, and the Senate membership was stripped from the states' control.

Once Congress and some presidents realized they could in effect, rewrite the Constitution, the circular firing squad was formed.

Rules and policies such as the "nuclear option" and the ability to shut down parts of the government over purely political posturing have allowed the camel into the tent.

From my perspective, what can save the U.S. is built into the Constitution itself: Article V's means to take corrective measures by amending the Constitution by going around Congress, not through it may be the last hope. It takes 34 states to agree to an Article V convention. To date, 28 states have passed resolutions agreeing to an Article V convention. The big caveat here is that an Article V convention is for the purpose of agreeing to previously posted amendments, and is not a free-for-all.

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Originally posted by patw:
I can see this great republic dying one day and people will cheer it happens. Very sad to see the shift in our country? When did all of this go wrong?

In my estimation, it began with the passing of the 19th amendment.

Duh.

Maybe when they stopped seeking out communism, socialism, Marxism .... It started becoming a bad thing to be pro USA.

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Originally posted by SIGSense:

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Originally posted by patw:
I can see this great republic dying one day and people will cheer it happens. Very sad to see the shift in our country? When did all of this go wrong?

In my estimation, it began with the passing of the 19th amendment.

Really? You see the problem being women voting?

At what point do we the American people say enough is enough? And water the tree?


I've been on this forum for 11yrs I don't post often but I'm on here Multiple times a day. Read a lot of the posts. Respect the vast majority of the members here. Honestly want your opinions at WHAT POINT do we look t what's going on and say ENOUGH? REALLY? I have 3 younguns and am absolutly sick to my stomach with what I see going on in this country.

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Originally posted by 911Boss:

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Originally posted by SIGSense:

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Originally posted by patw:
I can see this great republic dying one day and people will cheer it happens. Very sad to see the shift in our country? When did all of this go wrong?

In my estimation, it began with the passing of the 19th amendment.

Really? You see the problem being women voting?

Here are the conclusions from a 1999 study by John Lott.

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VI. Conclusion
Giving women the right to vote significantly changed American politics from the very beginning. Despite claims to the contrary, the gender gap is not something that has arisen since the 1970s. Suffrage coincided with immediate increases in state government expenditures and revenue, and these effects continued growing as more women took advantage of the franchise. Similar changes occurred at the federal level as female suffrage led to more liberal voting records for the state’s U.S. House and Senate delegations.

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Full study here. It would seem that women as a group seem to favor bigger government, higher taxation, and higher social spending. You may not agree with Lott, but I have found him to be very imperical with his work, whether that be on gun control or anything else.

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Originally posted by sigcrazy7:

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Originally posted by 911Boss:

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Originally posted by SIGSense:

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Originally posted by patw:
I can see this great republic dying one day and people will cheer it happens. Very sad to see the shift in our country? When did all of this go wrong?

In my estimation, it began with the passing of the 19th amendment.

Really? You see the problem being women voting?

Here are the conclusions from a study from 1999 by none other than John Lott.

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VI. Conclusion
Giving women the right to vote significantly changed American poli- tics from the very beginning. Despite claims to the contrary, the gen- der gap is not something that has arisen since the 1970s. Suffrage coincided with immediate increases in state government expendi- tures and revenue, and these effects continued growing as more women took advantage of the franchise. Similar changes occurred at the federal level as female suffrage led to more liberal voting rec- ords for the state’s U.S. House and Senate delegations.

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Full study here. It would seem that women as a group seem to favor bigger government, higher taxation, and higher social spending. You may not agree with John Lott, but I have found him to be very imperical with his work, whether that be on gun control or anything else.

If giving half of the human race equal rights is somehow a problem, so be it. The problem then isn't women but humanity and we deserve whatever comes.

There is no such thing as a benevolent dictator, whether a single individual or a group of them who sees themselves that way and seek to subjugate the rest "for their own good".

Freedom and liberty are the only right answer, whether it ultimately leads to our own destruction or not. The onus is on all of us to rise to the occasion and make the most of it.

The chips will fall where they will fall.

Promote the subjugation of others and be ridiculed or worse.

Lott can eat a bag of rancid cocks for all I care. He and other great minds have contributed a lot to humanity but none of them, ever, are or were right about everything.

Get a clue and eschew such absurd notions. That sort of vile garbage has no place is this world and it never did.

At one time wasn't it just property owners who got to vote?
In this day and age, I would assume women would be in that group of property owners.
In order to vote, people had to have skin in the game.

The minute people were able to vote themselves money from other people's wallets, the republic was doomed, just a matter of time.

Hippies. They got older and became the ones in power.

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Originally posted by 46and2:
There is no such thing as a benevolent dictator, whether a single individual or a group of them who sees themselves that way and seek to subjugate the rest "for their own good".

Freedom and liberty are the only right answer, whether it ultimately leads to our own destruction or not. The onus is on all of us to rise to the occasion and make the most of it.

The chips will fall where they will fall.

Promote the subjugation of others and be ridiculed or worse.

Lott can eat a bag of rancid cocks for all I care. He and other great minds have contributed a lot to humanity but none of them, ever, are or were right about everything.

Get a clue and eschew such absurd notions. That sort of vile garbage has no place is this world and it never did.

You obviously didn't read the study. Lott was only presenting data, as he always does. He made no policy recommendations, nor did I. I was simply pointing out why another member might see the 19th as the source of the rise of big government along with a corresponding loss of freedom. You may have a problem with empirical data, but it is what it is. You should look at the data instead of simply acting out emotionally. It is somewhat ironic that you'd refuse to look at data that shows an overall loss of freedom for the whole in the argument for more freedom for some. Is that not the same as saying that something may be better for the limbs, but harmful to the organism, but that is the preferable course? It seems that is the framework of your emotional reaction.

The normal state of human existence is subjugation, not freedom. This 250 year experiment in freedom is most likely short lived, and may terminate before the end of our lives. You may feel that "the chips should fall where the may," but many of us prefer not to live in a republic akin to the DPRK. Personally I feel that all data is just that --data. There is no such thing as "vile" data, and "(politically correct) good" data. We won't make good policy if people refuse to see things empirically.

LBJ makes a good point. A republic would be best preserved if people felt that they had a reason to support public virtue over personal interests. Perhaps there should be some form of property test. Similarly, a policy I'd like to see explored is a temporary loss of one's voting rights while that person received public assistance. This would prevent the warning from Tytler (contested attribution):

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A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the majority discovers it can vote itself largess out of the public treasury. After that, the majority always votes for the candidate promising the most benefits with the result the democracy collapses because of the loose fiscal policy ensuing, always to be followed by a dictatorship, then a monarchy.

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Originally posted by 46and2:
Get a clue and eschew such absurd notions. That sort of vile garbage has no place is this world and it never did.

Now you are in the unenviable position of being placed in the category of ignorant, low-information voters. Those are:

-People who do NOT read and understand the facts.
-People that do NOT care about the facts.
-People that believe whatever mainstream talking points are fed to them.
-People that allow emotions/feelings to decide the critical decisions in their lives.